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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 08:30, 9 July 2014.

Gemini (2002 Tamil film)

 * Nominator(s): Sriram speak up  06:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the criteria. The article has been fine tuned since a previous review stalled and have also gone through a copyedit. Sriram speak up  06:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Kailash29792
Support: Congratulations Sriram, this FAC has my support, as all my comments have been addressed. However, do remember that I too contributed significantly to the article. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Comments from the Doctor

 * Lede
 * What is Malayalam meant to link to? Malayalam cinema?
 * Either Malayalam or Malayalam cinema. Both works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriram Vikram (talk • contribs)
 * Done: I have linked it to Malayalam cinema. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "The film's narrative is loosely based on the true stories of real-life criminals 'Vellai' Ravi and Chera, and is about gang wars in Chennai." -would be better worded as "The film, about gang conflict in Chennai, is loosely based on the true stories of real-life criminals 'Vellai' Ravi and Chera".
 * Rephrased. Does that suffice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriram Vikram (talk • contribs)


 * "When an outlaw and aspiring don falls in love, he decides" -who??
 * Fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriram Vikram (talk • contribs)


 * AVM Studios -in Mumbai?
 * No. It is in Chennai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriram Vikram (talk • contribs)
 * As Chennai has now been mentioned in the article as the city where AVM lies, we can consider this Done. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "While the remake starred Venkatesh and Namitha in the lead, Kalabhavan Mani and Murali reprised their roles. Gemini was also dubbed into Hindi as Angaar: The Deadly One." -I'm not sure this is really relevant in the lede, looks a bit trivial there to me.
 * Half Done as asked, because the dubbed version is interesting to include. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think he meant that it could be included later, just that it's not important enough to be in the lede section. Also, I don't think you are supposed to strike other editor's comments, only your own. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  12:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, it is now Fully Done, as I have removed mention of the dubbed version in the lead (you know, Hindi dubbed versions of South Indian films are not so notable outside television runs). I hope has no problem with this. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

More to come next week. I'd rather not continue, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That is ok. But once these comments have been addressed, it may be taken as a "support" then. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Krimuk90
So, my comments have been addressed, and the article has improved considerably. But I do feel that it needs much more work on the prose to be considered one of the best articles on Wikipedia. Hence, I won't be specifically supporting or objecting to the nomination. -- KRIMUK  90  ✉  06:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Bollyjeff
Support - All of my comments below have been addressed now (I made a couple tweaks myself). There are no dead links, and most citations are of high quality. BollyJeff &#124;  talk  19:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I thank you for your comments :) Kailash29792 (talk) 02:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * "Despite receiving mixed critical reviews upon release, the film was highly successful and was the biggest hit of the year in Tamil; its success was attributed to the popularity of the song "O Podu"." 'Upon release' is not needed. Its success was 'partly' or 'mostly' attributed, not completely, right?
 * I believe it was mostly attributed to only, let Sriram check it. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think "largely attributed" works. Sources supporting the claim does not say the extent to which the song impacted the film's success.


 * "and Vikram was cast in the lead role opposite Kiran Rathod." Duplicate info; already mentioned in first paragraph.  Maybe say 'cast the new leads'.
 * Done check it now. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think you need there names again, either. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  17:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done removed as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Previously scheduled release date does not matter for the lead.
 * Done written as "The film was released on 12 April 2002—two days before the date of the Tamil New Year". Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You could say a little less about the remakes (espacially the stars), and include more about song popularity from the pop culture section.
 * Removed the remake's actors. Check it now. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but add more about the song. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  17:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Development
 * "would mark his third collaboration with Ajith after the successful films Kaadhal Mannan (1998) and Amarkalam (1999), both of which had Ajith in the lead roles." can be shortened to "would mark his third collaboration with Ajith as the lead, after the successful films Kaadhal Mannan (1998) and Amarkalam (1999).
 * Done as suggested. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That doesn't read well. How about "During the making of the film Alli Arjuna (2002) in early 2001, its director Saran announced his next. The film would mark his third collaboration with Ajith following the success of Kaadhal Mannan (1998) and Amarkalam (1999)"?


 * "it was the production house's 162nd film.[14] It was AVM's first film after a gap of five years; their last production before the hiatus was the 1997 hit Minsara Kanavu, the release of which marked fifty years since its first production Naam Iruvar in 1947.[b] By producing Gemini, AVM became one of the four film studios that had been producing films for over fifty years." Is all of this relevant?
 * Let handle this. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I do accept that it doesn't fit in the 'Development' section. But it got to be said somewhere.


 * Casting
 * "Saran had known of Murali through his role in Dumm Dumm Dumm, a performance which he felt was dignified and persuaded him to cast Murali as the DGP." Confusing; Who persuaded who?  Also, no year on DDD.
 * I think Saran persuaded Murali to join Gemini as a DGP. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * But the wording makes it seem as though the 'performance' persuaded him. Needs tweaking.  BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  17:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. It was his "dignified" performance which convinced Saran into casting Murali. Can be rewritten if it is misleading as such.


 * Filming
 * "Vikram shot for the film alongside Samurai" could be "Vikram was shooting for this film and Samurai (2002) simultaneously" Added year and changed wording a bit because 'shot alongside' usually means two actors.
 * Done Kailash29792 (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Soundtrack
 * "virat hits" Is this supposed to be viral?
 * Let handle this. I don't think YouTube existed in 2002 (excuse 3 Idiots) then there is no way "O Podu" could have been an internet/viral phenomenon. Maybe it was played often on TV and radio... But "virat" was a typo that I fixed to "viral". Kailash29792 (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's okay as is now. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk


 * Overwhelmed by the response" Small 'o' please.  Also sounds like a comma is needed after response.
 * Done Kailash29792 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "After the audience were not satisfied with the short footage provided and forced the theatre owners to rewind the song and replay it, the song was later re-recorded to match with the original length." Confusing grammar.
 * How about "Dissatisfied with the small footage provided initially, the audience resorted to violence, forcing theatre owners to rewind the song and play it again. After receiving calls from distributors and theatre owners, the makers eventually sent the entire song."?


 * Critical Response
 * "the Department of Journalism and Communication, the University of Madras and the Mass Communication Alumni Association, University of Madras (MCAUM)" has some duplication. Can you put: "the Department of Journalism and Communication, and the Mass Communication Alumni Association, of the University of Madras"?
 * Done as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "...met Vikram and praised his performance, and predicted that the film would be a big hit." May be better as two sentences? "He predicted..."
 * Done Kailash29792 (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Box Office
 * Source 3 should be used as well as source 2 at the end of second sentence for gross, since 3 was used in the infobox for gross.
 * Done.


 * It should say biggest hit in Tamil (not whole of India), as in the infobox.
 * Done Kailash29792 (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * What is USP?
 * Unique Selling Proposition. "USP" appears in a quote without the expansion, and we faithfully reproduce quotes, regardless of mistakes in the source. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Release and reception
 * "Since "O Podu" was a hit—especially among children—AVM invited them to write reviews and gave away prizes." Invited who, children? The structure of the sentence makes it not clear.  Try: Since "O Podu" was such a hit among children, AVM invited young children to write reviews, and gave away prizes.
 * Done written as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Remakes
 * Were either of the remakes successful?
 * There was only one remake, and I don't think it was as successful as the original. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Popular culture
 * Who is Gerald? Not in source given.
 * Done removed. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Shifted source to support claim.

Comments from AB01

 * Lead
 * It should be "its narrative". Remove the apostrophe.
 * Done: although I hope this does not concern differences in English dialects. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * "which was experiencing difficulties after a string of projects failed at the box office". It might sound better as "...after a string of box office failures"
 * Done: as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You might want to also list South Filmfare awards first in your ordering, as they are the most prominent
 * Done: as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Development
 * "The project was planned to be a Diwali release". Change to "planned for a Diwali release"
 * Done: as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Release and reception
 * "with 104 prints, the most to date for a Vikram film". Do you mean at the time of release? Or does the record still hold? From this statement, it sounds like Gemini is still Vikram's all-time biggest release
 * I don't know. The nominator may know, being a fan of Vikram. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * According to this, it isn't his biggest release anymore. So you might wanna change it to "at the time of release"
 * Done: written, "the most for a Vikram film at the time of release". Kailash29792 (talk) 10:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Critical response
 * "positive to mixed reviews". Wouldn't it be better to write mixed reviews alone? It already says that in the lead anyway
 * Done: as asked. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Remakes
 * You could add whether the remakes were as successful
 * Working. However, there does not appear to be any reviews on the Hindi-dubbed version Angaar: The Deadly One. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the Hindi version, since it's only a dubbed version. Try and find whether the Telugu remake was successful in terms of box office results/critical reception. It's ok if you can't find anything though..

Regardless of whether you find information on the Telugu remake or not, I give my support for this article. It's well-written and comprehensive. Good luck, guys! :-) AB01  I'M A POTATO 10:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much AB01 :) Kailash29792 (talk) 10:47, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Kailash are you a reviewer or co author of this? Looking across it it seems you're basically functioning as a co author. It just looks odd that's all, you have also reviewed it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * , I now prefer to be called an inactive contributor. Kailash29792 (talk) 19:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I was about to ask the same. You've already made around 130 edits to the article and shouldn't be reviewing this at all. Kindly refrain from doing that. &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 06:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Editor 2050

 * Well-researched, well deserved FA candidate.
 * Lead
 * Maybe a quick article for the work of Thennavan if notable, seems out of place warranting a mention in the lead, but no link.
 * Well, he doesn't have an article at the moment ("Thennavan" currently leads to a 2003 film, and not the actor, who is credited as "Kai" Thennavan in the film.) Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for creating an article on him, and linking him here. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Cast
 * As with Thyagu - done enough notable work.
 * I don't know what you mean. And "Thyagu" currently leads to Thozhar Thiyagu, who is not an actor, hence no wikilink for him here. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for creating an article on the actor and linking him here. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Manorama is in the infobox, but last in the credits - is this consistent? should she be removed from the infobox?
 * Done: Replaced her with Vinu Chakravarthy, who comes fourth in the intro credits. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Production
 * In paragraph 3 of cast and crew, some names are linked/some are not?
 * Do any of the unlinked members there have articles at the moment? If they have, we will add them. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems you took care of this, and thank you. However, some of the crew members are still not linked, though I don't think they may be that popular enough to have their own articles. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Editor 2050 (talk) 18:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Accolades
 * Order of links again, Anu Sriram linked on second instance rather than first?
 * Done: She is now linked in the first instance (in the Filmfare part). Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, well done - excited to see this reach FA status! Editor 2050 (talk) 10:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Crisco 1492

 * Image review:
 * File:Gemini DVD Cover.jpg - For such a recent film I'm very surprised you don't have the theatrical poster (which are preferred for film articles). Are you sure there's no copy available?
 * I'm afraid it may not be easily available online. I'll try contacting AVM Productions for the same. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Gemini (2002 Tamil film) promotion.jpg - Fails NFCC#8, as we don't have to see the individuals to understand the text. We have free images of individual actors as well, so one or two of those could be used instead (thus this fails NFCC#1). I've nominated for deletion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Done: Removed. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment – Request the delegates to not consider 's support for this nomination as he certainly looks like a co-author of the article. (Though I perfectly understand that we run on consensus and not individual votes.) &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 02:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Images are okay, though here's hoping they'll send a copy of the poster. A DVD cover is a good interim measure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I accept my mistake, and my comments need not be accepted. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In fact, it was my mistake and apologies for that. Good luck with the nomination! &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 16:38, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


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