Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Germany Schulz/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:03, 16 June 2008.

Germany Schulz
I'm nominating this article for featured article because it has been stable as a WP:GA for some time and is extensive enough and interesting enough to be a WP:FA. This is one of many Michigan Wolverines football bio articles that I worked on with User:Cbl62. He did most of the research on this one and my contributions were more organizational. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments regarding images:
 * Image:Germany Schulz.jpg: source does not assert a date of first publication. How can we verify the PD-US claim?  Why is a purportedly PD image using a non-free rationale for the James B. Craig article?
 * Given his year of birth, it seems extremely likely that this publicity photo is from before 1923 when he would have been almost 40 years old. I think it would be pretty reasonable to let this PD claim fly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Verifiability, not truth, is the threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia.  Also, merely existing is not the same as being published.  Proof is needed that this was first published before 1.1.1923.  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 02:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Ferry.gif: source site indicates this is from a 1924 Wisconsin game and credits the image to "BHL, Ath. Dept.". This contradicts the PD-US license's assertion of first being published before 1.1.1923.  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 19:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can justify fair use here, but we should be able to claim fair use at Ferry Field. I will write up the claim.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I found a free image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Replacement is also problematic. source has date of 1923.  As the criterion is publication before 1.1.1923, an image published/created in 1923 does not meet PD-US.  Source, additionally, asserts "This image may be protected by copyright law."  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 02:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Current ref 1 "Schulz to play center" is lacking where it was publsihed?
 * Same for ref 21. "Schultz Played Star Game against Penn..."
 * Current ref 51 is lacking a publisher ( Glamourless Gridirons..) Deadlinked for me too.
 * Current ref 60 is lacking where it was published (Mrs Sophia Schulz is dead...)
 * Sources look good. Links checked out okay with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Comment I am handicapped by the source being from a newservice that a co-author used. I can not recover any further detail.  He is unsubscribed now to my knowledge.  He is not becoming active in this discussion, so what you see is what you get.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried logging on to add the publisher cites this afternoon. These articles were derived from the microfilm newspapers of http://newspaperarchive.com/  However, that company is based on Cedar Rapids, Iowa, which is presently under water, causing power loss and loss of service, per that link.  Accordingly, I cannot access the information at this time.Cbl62 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Gary King ( talk ) 16:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Weak Support - I'm not happy about a couple of the reference issues I described above, but it does seem comprehensive considering the time period. Overall, gets one thumb up from me. Giants2008 (talk) 21:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Looks like Image:Ferry field derived from Aerial University of Michigan image.JPG is possibly pending deletion due to copyright concerns.
 * Image:Germany Schulz.jpg has no/vague source information. A PD claim requires information on date and place of publication.
 * Kelly hi! 19:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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