Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Giants: Citizen Kabuto


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 00:03, 25 March 2008.

Giants: Citizen Kabuto
According to articlestats, the nominator (now retired) has never edited this article and User:Jappalang, the principle editor, is responding to the FAC:
 * Jappalang 34
 * Bryan H Bell 12
 * Epbr123 9
 * Thunderbrand 5
 * David Fuchs 4
 * The Merciful 4
 * CyberSkull 4

Sandy Georgia (Talk) 23:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm nominating this article for featured article because I think it meets the criteria. The Development and Reception sections are particularly comprehensive and well sourced. FightingStreet (talk) 22:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * FightingStreet is a retired editor. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20000208001815/www.ga-source.com/interviews/Giants.shtml gives a "Path Index Error" for me. Doesn't show up on the little tool for checking links though. Same for http://web.archive.org/web/20010415140747/http://www.game-interviews.com/interviews/giants.htm
 * Fixed. Jappalang (talk) 02:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally I wouldn't consider about.com a very reliable source, but the one cite looks to be hosted on about.com ... http://pcworld.about.com/news/Jun052001id54523.htm�?
 * Apologies about that, I just found the article on PC World's site and replaced the cite with it. Jappalang (talk) 02:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of information sourced to reviews that would be conisdered gameplay. This isn't a complaint, understand, just that wouldnt' it make more sense to source to the game manual? then you wouldn't run the risk of folks complaining it's gone dead on you, or that it's not reliable. It's gameplay, so in my mind, the sourcing requirements aren't as high as BLP, of course.
 * The gameplay section incorporates the design and effects of the controls and well... gameplay. These are the views of established game reviewers which require sourcing. There are statements which the manual (which in most parts is written "in-universe" and in a tongue-in-cheek manner) fails to describe (akin to hidden strategies). Secondary sources are used to avoid concerns on over-use of primary sources. Jappalang (talk) 02:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Guess it shows that I never played the game or I'd have known the manual was in-universe. Thanks for the explanation. Ealdgyth | Talk 02:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources look pretty good besides that one site hosted on about.com, and the two lost links. Ealdgyth | Talk 02:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Note I noticed that the nominator didn't seem to have edited the article. Articlestats is not working at the moment (due to a wiki fluke I believe), but I notified User:Jappalang, who appears to be one of the article's most active editors, that there is precedent to withdraw the nomination if he felt the article wasn't ready. He has responded that he understands this and wishes to proceed with the nom. Maralia (talk) 03:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - well, I also never edited but nominated for the GA (which passed), since it's an impressive article, very detailed and referenced. igordebraga ≠ 05:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Refs where the author is "IGN Staff" don't need that. Only give author if there's a definite person behind it.
 * It is correctly attributed to them. Certain sites (e.g. GameSpot, IGN) only name the author if a certain staff member or a guest writer is involved. Crediting to the "staff" neither goes against policy or is bad form. Jappalang (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks tacky to write Staff when it's assumed, if nobody else is named. At least, to me. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Move the image in the Reception section down, below the reviews table, so there's more room for prose
 * I have changed the position as suggested, thereby "liberating" the text. :-P Jappalang (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Windows version box cover art" - not really needed unless box art was *very* different on other versions
 * Actually, the PlayStation 2 cover is different. Refer to gallery of covers at Moby. The Mac cover is slightly different, more like a cropped version of the Windows cover (hard to find a large version of it but you can see a thumbnail of it at its apple page. Jappalang (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Include the soundtrack's track listing in the article (see Age of Mythology for a drop down box for that, if you like).
 * I think a track listing is not a requirement for a FA. If there was substantial information or reviews over a particular track or several of them, then it would qualify under coverage to bring them into the article. However, since the article's mention over the music is a general overview, and history of selecting the composers; having a list of tracks would be superfluous. The external link to Giants World Domination offers the track listing for anyone who is interested. Jappalang (talk) 13:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Neutral pending further review. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 14:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC) changed to Support with some minor grammar fixes.  Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 21:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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