Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gimme More/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 18:32, 1 January 2008.

Gimme More


After having edited this article, I'm nominating this article for featured article because it's getting there. The page may not perfectly present a featured one but with your help (comments and suggestions), it will. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 09:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles should not be listed at both WP:PR and WP:FAC per the instructions at both; please close and archive the peer review. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I closed the peer review myself; I did not fully and correctly archive, as this is something nominator is expected to do. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for rushing this article to be nominated without knowing further the process for nomination. Sorry also because I don't know how to archive. Could someone fix this? Thanks a lot. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments Citation 25 needs fixing. LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fixed already. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ""Gimme More" was generally well-received by music critics. Blender Magazine complimented the song for being an "unsettling disco dazzler," rating it four out of five stars[19] and Guardian Unlimited called the song "futuristic and thrilling."[20]." Firstly, Blender Magazine and Guardian are not music critics, but are publications. The Guardian did not call the song "futuristic and thrilling" either. Alexis Petridis, writing for that specific publication, did so. One critic's opinions is not representative of the publication as a whole. Othe critics whom write for that publication may have found the song appalling, but were not commissioned to review it. LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ I fixed some. I changed it to added publications critics for the reviews and I fixed the reviewers as well. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ""Gimme More" was one of Spears' most remixed single.[64]" - "Single"? Don't you mean "singles"? LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ User:Phoenix2 fixed it. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Conditional Support - Frankly, I don't have any regard at all for Spears or this song for that matter, but the article is well-written so that's good, especially for a single so recent; you must be quite the fan! One thing I'd like to suggest is expanding the commentary about the sample in its box, I dunno, maybe tell the reader about the structure of the song rather than just about the lyrical interpretations? Only then will it be suitable for fair use. Also the changes addressed by LuciferMorgan also need attention. Otherwise, you have my full support for it's a very informative article indeed. (SUDUSER)85 07:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ I edited it with some re-mentioned "stuff", like the electro thing. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

"However, it was also welcomed as an improved performance to her highly criticized 2007 MTV Video Music Awards opening." looks clunky to me. "It is also influenced by electro elements which Kelefa Sanneh of New York Times described as "a nifty little electro-pop song." - ??? replace which with "and was therefore described by Kelefa Saanneh as [...]" --Kiyarr lls ton 00:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Objection: Copy-edit please? - Generally not well-written
 * I have no idea on reediting the first objection. Do you have some suggestions? Please... --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * that was described by Kelefa Sanneh of New York Times as "a nifty little electro-pop song." Is it fine? --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems we're not understanding each other regarding my second example - "nifty little electro-pop song" does not say that "it is influenced by electro elements" - it says it is an electro song. Are we on the level now?
 * ✅ Yah. I got it. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 07:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding my first example - " However, it [The video was] also welcomed as an improve d [ment] performance to her highly criticized 2007 MTV Video Music Awards opening." seems a little bit better - do you agree?
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 07:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hope I clarified why I object, hope this article can improve to FA quality.
 * --Kiyarr lls ton 05:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you.=) --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 07:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

*Oppose and close Articles cannot be on FAC and PR together. --Kaypoh (talk) 03:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ SandyGeorgia fixed it. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 13:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Not ready for FA:
 * There is a tag on the article that says "This article documents a current single. Information is likely to change as the song remains on the charts." This means the article may not be stable.
 * The article will be stable since its chart performance is almost dropping. Only that the charting week will be updated. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This paragraph is too short and unreferenced: "The track is constructed in a verse-chorus pattern. Mixed by Araica, it interpolates background vocals by Hilson and Jim Beanz."
 * ✅ I merged it. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * References 2, 3, 6, 17, 28 and 32 have formatting problems.
 * Could you pin point what that problem is? Like what formatting? Thank you. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * References always go after a comma or full stop, with no spaces in between. --Kaypoh (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fixed. I also fixed some mistaken formats written as "cite web" which are actually "cite news." --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Prose is not FA standard. My English is not very good, but I can see a few problems in the lead (but you must fix the whole article):
 * "co-written among collaborators" I thought "co-written" and "collaborators" mean the same thing?
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ""Gimme More" is the first single since In the Zone" Do you mean "her first single"?
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "Dubbed as a comeback release for Spears however, the song does not feature lyrics about her musical return instead, it features racy lyrics incorporating uptempo beats." I think you put all the commas in the wrong places.
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "first hit radio stations and digital stores where it was a commercial success and was released in the form of CD" The way you use "where" and "and was released" to connect the sentence sounds funny.
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "in North America where it topped Billboard's Canadian chart" Again the same problem with "where".
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "In Australia and United Kingdom" Put "the" before "United Kingdom".
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "In both the US and Australia" The earlier sentence also started with "In" and two countries. You sure you want to repeat?
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "introduces Spears pole dancing which was panned by critics" sounds funny. Only after I read it three times, then I understand what you mean, that critics panned Spears (apostrophe?) pole dancing.
 * ✅ --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Improve the article and try GA first. --Kaypoh (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment You need to fix the whole article, not just the lead section. Can someone who is very good in English check whether the lead section is fixed correctly? Because some sentences still sounds funny. --Kaypoh (talk) 11:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am always addressing your objections. Thank you for that help. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce(talk•contribs)12:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome. :) Now waiting for someone who is very good in English to check the lead section. --Kaypoh (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be waiting for them until this one got FA. =) --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce(talk•contribs) 09:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose' Some misleading statements are within the article. Examples;


 * "It was a huge club success by reaching number one on Billboard Hot Dance Club Play chart on December 15, 2007 replacing Rihanna's contemporary "Shut Up and Drive"." - "Huge"? A "club success"? According to whom? Such adjectives are merely the opinions of whomever feel that way, and are not factual. People measure success in different ways, so therefore interpretations of what is and isn't successful differs from person to person.
 * ✅ huge was removed. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "The single was also successful in European countries." - Whether the single was "successful" in European countries is an opinion, dependant on whomever is drawing conclusions. The fact it charted in European countries is just that, a fact, and therefore irrefutable. Whether it was "successful" though is refutable, depending on one's criteria as concerns what is successful.
 * Referring to "Hollaback Girl", editors used "a successful single in Canada." Maybe the word also needs to be removed. I changed it to this: The single was also successful in European countries peaking inside the top five and top ten on all charts it entered. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "The single finally peaked on Billboard Pop 100 at number two.[45]" - "Finally"? What is the reasoning behind using this adjective. When someone uses this adjective, it's usually to show they're happy something has finally happened. Therefore, the word needs removing.
 * ✅ finally was removed. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "It performed well in North America where it debuted at number nine on the U.S. Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart on September 6, 2007,[37]" - The fact it debuted at nine is a fact, but whether it "performed well" is an opinion.
 * Referring to "Rich Girl (Gwen Stefani song)," editors used a phrase "performed moderately well in North America." --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "Elsewhere, "Gimme More" proved to be a moderately successful track." - "Moderately successful"? How do you personally measure what is "moderately successful"? Singles which don't reach the top ten? Singles which aren't RIAA certified? Singles which quickly enter and disappear from the charts?
 * The phrase "moderate success" which is near to "moderately successful" is being used in "Hollaback Girl." --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

These critical comments made within the article, ones that are misleading, need to be addressed. Other instances are also prevalent within the article. LuciferMorgan (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for always using Gwen Stefani songs as a reference. Its just that they're worth emulating; they're all FAs. Just tell me further objections and I will address it as soon as possible. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant of whether 17Drew used them, I am still objecting per criterion 1d. I personally don't find the Stefani articles flawless, but that's my personal opinion. LuciferMorgan (talk) 16:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * But letting some articles arrive FA statuses bearing this kind of "problems" would mean "inconsistency." We should be objective here and not subjective; as they say, it's all business. Anyway, I fixed the article. I removed adjectives that seems you don't like. --&#946;ritand&#946;eyonce (talk•contribs) 08:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.