Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Good Girl Gone Bad/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:55, 26 April 2014.

Good Girl Gone Bad

 * Nominator(s): — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) &  Tomíca (T2ME) 22:40, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

...And we're back! and I have worked very hard on this article and we now have more time allotted to focus our energy in finally getting the article to FA status! We believe that it's very close to getting that gold star; all we need is your help getting it there! — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 22:40, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments from WikiRedactor
as it currently is. WikiRedactor (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No disambiguation links or external links that need correcting, good work there!
 * Instead of using the term "US", I would recommend writing out "United States" when using referring to the country, and leaving it as "US" when using it as an adjective for something like "the US Billboard 200".
 * I believe I've corrected all the instances. Let me know if there's any left that need changing. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, I suggest using the template for the album chronology instead of the
 * Done. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In the introduction, can it be specified that Good Girl Gone Bad was released on May 31, specifically?
 * Done. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also in the introduction, when you talk about Brandy's album, maybe you can mention that it was her fourth studio album and put its year of release in parentheses.
 * Done. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In the "Release history" section, you may be interested in placing the references in their own separate column instead of next to the countries as they currently are. This is just my personal preference, though, and certainly isn't a make-or-break deal; just something you might end up liking.
 * In the "References" section, most citations that use Amazon.com list the particular country abbreviation as well, like "Amazon.com (CA)". There are some that are plainly listed as "Amazon.com", and while it appears that these links go to the United States version, can you add in the "(US)" in the publisher field?
 * Adjusted. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also in the "References" section, I believe that the Australian iTunes citation should be listed as the "iTunes Store'".
 * Done. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 20:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I am happy with all of the revisions made, and am giving my support to the nomination. Nice job! WikiRedactor (talk) 23:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Prism
Hello Status! I see you have fought for this article to become an FA, and it is quite close to reaching such status. However, I have to be fair here, and compare Good Girl Gone Bad to other album FAs. It hardly references any of the lyrical content, and regardless of it clearly emphasizing the music and not the lyricism, it should talk about what the songs, in general, address. I'm not going to force you to write down every meaning of every song in the tracklisting, but just a general view would be welcome. Thank you! Prism  △  19:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Superficial comment from Prism
 * We will have a look for sure to see if we find such information to add to the article, but we can't promise that such sources exist. I understand your concern and thank you for raising it! — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 21:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Petergriffin9901

 * Quick comments - You guys need to sift through the references. I'm finding many inconsistencies. A few examples: I see MTV is sometimes in italics, Radio & Records is linked in awkward places, a few news articles are not properly formatted. These issues persist throughout. Also, regarding the prose. As a past music article editor, I know the difficulty in avoiding choppy, repetitive and possible listing-type prose when dealing in this field. However, in terms of comma usage and sentence structure, the article often reads a bit awkwardly.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   02:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments Nathan! Would you mind pasting a few sentences that you find read a bit awkwardly, so I have something to go on? As for the references, those will be a no-biggie to fix! — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 21:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Вик Ретлхед

 * Good Girl Gone Bad produced five singles, including the international hits "Don't Stop the Music" and "Umbrella", which Rolling Stone placed at number 412 on the magazine's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time list.—Is it "Don't Stop the Music" or "Umbrella" that was placed on Rolling Stone's list? You'll need to clarify this.
 * Just "Umbrella" was. Corrected. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 17:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MOS-ALBUM ("If citing from Allmusic, do not include composer credits"), the composers in "Personnel" are redundant.
 * Removed the composers. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 17:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Good Girl Gone Bad is a dance-pop[19] and R&B album[20] influenced by 1980s music.[8]—This is a primary example of violating WP:SYNTH. It doesn't mean that if one critic says "it's a pop album" and another one calls it an R&B album, you can write "it's pop and R&B". Furthermore, the same can be said about the rest of the "Composition" section. Basically every song is tagged with genres by multiple sources.
 * West Indian shouldn't be linked. The article discusses some old civilization, which is not connected with the sound of Rihanna's previous albums.
 * Changed to Caribbean, as that's what the source states. I don't know where West Indian came from. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 17:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Another issue is the prose in this section, which is not "brilliant". The section goes "song—genre—comparison with other artist" and the same on and on, while the text from "Critical response" is not cohesive. It lacks linking words and is filled with too many quotations.
 * "Accolades and legacy"—It would be better if the section was entitled just as "Accolades". I haven't noticed that the record influenced some other artist or had significant impact on its genre. Being nominated for Grammy and being certified platinum doesn't make it a "legacy" album.
 * Sorry, but I have to oppose the promotion of this article to FA. You've definitely put hard work on this one, but it needs additional fixes to match the criteria. The biggest strength of the page is the formatting style and tables, but the issues listed above can't be ignored.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Comments from XXSNUGGUMSXX
Here's some things I would do before this becomes FA:
 * Development and title
 * The info on A Girl Like Me belongs on its own page, not here
 * The quote from what she told StarPheonix should just go in the first paragraph, and so should the first sentence of the second paragraph
 * Per WP:OVERCITE, don't use ref#7 multiple times in a row. Just include it at the end of the "Rihanna explained that she wanted to keep the audience dancing and be soulful at the same time" sentence.
 * Recording and production
 * Three photos in one corner is excessive. If including any, just use Ne-Yo and Tricky Stewart.
 * More WP:OVERCITE, just use ref#14 after the "Rapper Jay-Z added rap vocals" sentence in second paragraph, and ref#15 after the "over which Timberlake improvised his lyrics" bit.
 * Composition
 * More WP:OVERCITE, don't have ref#24 right after the "contains rhythmic devices used mainly in hip hop music" bit in second paragraph, ref#21 should just be used in the "It samples New Order's 1983 single 'Blue Monday'" sentence in second paragraph, and ref#23 should just be used after the "produced by Timbaland" bit in the third paragraph
 * Singles
 * If including a photo of Jay-Z, just use one of simply him and mention his collaboration with Rihanna on "Umbrella" and what critics said about it
 * Marketing and release
 * Live performances
 * More WP:OVERCITE, just use ref#80 at the end of the "'Don't Stop the Music' and 'Umbrella'" bit.
 * Re-issue and remix album
 * More WP:OVERCITE, ref#124 should just be used at the end of the second paragraph
 * Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé

Best of luck getting this to FA! XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 19:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * In case they haven't noticed the input, pinging and . XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 06:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Closing comment -- I think it's been long enough for the nominators to respond to and/or resolve outstanding comments, so it's time to put this one to bed and allow further work to take place outside the FAC process. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 13:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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