Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Goodies (album)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 21:31, 23 October 2010.

Goodies (album)

 * Nominator(s): Candy  o32  08:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because after transforming it from to [this to [[Goodies (album)|this]], I believe it now satisfies FA criteria.  Candy  o32  08:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)|content=*Comment 1 dab link, no dead external links. Both Allmusic links redirect to. Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In the lead: "With Goodies, Ciara was hailed as the "Princess or First Lady of Crunk&B"." This seems quite important, but is not mentioned in the body of the article (and is also unreferenced).
 * Done.
 * Could you also mention the release details in the body? This would remove the need for the ref in the lead.
 * Done.
 * In the 'Background and production' section there are a few people mentioned (ie Garrett, Lil Jon, T.I. etc.). Maybe an image of one of them could be included?
 * Image of T.I. added
 * Some of the references' publishers are unnecessarily italicised (eg Amazon.com).
 * Done. Candy  o32  20:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Media:File:Ciara-GoodiesAlbum.jpg, File:Goodies.ogg and File:Ohciara.ogg all have non-free use rationales and licenses. Adabow (talk · contribs) 21:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Throughout the article you write certifications with capital letters, except in the lead "It was later certified triple platinum by the RIAA" and further on "...on the Billboard 200, and certified three times-platinum by..."
 * Succession boxes: title is 'US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums Chart'. Maybe add 'number-one album' to the end?
 * I disambiguated Sho'nuff → Sho'nuff Records, please check this is right
 * Ref 25 redirects to, which does not list credits. Is what you are looking for?
 * I am not sure if allmusic have changed their site's style recently, but your styling of titles is not what is listed there.
 * Otherwise, looks pretty good! Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments:
 * What makes http://top40.about.com/od/artistsac/p/ciara.htm a reliable high quality source?
 * It's seen to been fine in other FA/GA articles, published by The New York Times Company and work by notable critic, Bill Lamb.


 * Likewise http://biography.jrank.org/pages/2955/Ciara.html?
 * I have no evidence, but it looks pretty reliable and the publisher seems reliable.
 * Please refer to WP:V and explain why it is reliable. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Likewise http://www.musicomh.com/albums/ciara.htm?
 * View the musicOMH article, where it noted Metacritic uses it and AOL and Yahoo! Music have used their reviews. Candy  o32  20:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and explain why the source is reliable per WP:V, and high quality per WP:WIAFA, 1c. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Neither of the sound files have rationales for this use. This would, in its current state, quick-fail at GAC. Please add a detailed, specific rationale to each file (cleaning up the image pages while you're at it wouldn't hurt) and ask yourself seriously whether both are needed (not saying they aren't, just asking you to consider it). J Milburn (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added detailed rationals to the sound files. I believe the "Goodies" sample definitely needs inclusion, but if needed "Oh" would be removed, but I have added rationale for it. Candy  o32  20:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Quick comment Suggesting WP:ALT text to images. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 21:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Alt text is no longer required. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose, 1b and 1c. It looks like you have a good start here, but I think more research is needed to be comprehensive. I did a cursory library search and found many good sources that haven't been used, and a lot of information missing from the article. For example:
 * You have very little about the release and promotion of the album—supporting tours, etc. I found several sources about shows she did in support of the album.
 * Could you share this release and promotion information? I know she performed the two lead singles a few times, but it is very hard to find reliable sources for this. Candy  o32  16:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The Critical Reception section is light, and your strategy for which reviews to include is unclear. Did you choose reviews that were available simply by internet searches? There are several important reviews that you have neglected, such as those from Rolling Stone, The Village Voice, and so on.
 * I only included these because these are the only ones that I could find after an extensive research. For the ones you named, I did a search at The Village Voice and could not find anything, and RS does no longer archive their past reviews. Candy  o32  16:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The use of jrank.org looks unacceptable—if you navigate up to the top level entry page, they say they are a "site search engine" which means the content has been pulled from other unknown sources.
 * At the bottom of the Ciara discography page it indicates reliable used sources for the development of the article I suppose.
 * -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  15:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I won't be able to do the research for this. I recommend you withdraw the nomination and access a library to find more sources and get the article to a comprehensive state. While I understand you believe you have done extensive research, I found much more information in just a brief search of library databases such as LexisNexis and ProQuest. Read Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-28/Dispatches for some good pointers—if you can't access a library, check with someone at the relevant WikiProjects and you may find a research collaborator. -- Andy Walsh  (talk)  17:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


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