Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 04:34, 30 March 2007.

Grand Duchess Tatiana Nikolaevna of Russia
This is a self-nomination. This article has had a peer review and has been passed as a Good Article. I've tried to make it as broad and well-referenced as possible.--Bookworm857158367 13:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 *  Weak Support Comment Sentence repeated in the lead. Needs a reference for the nicknames. DrKiernan 16:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed repeated sentence, added references for the nicknames.--Bookworm857158367 04:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned by the prominence of Occleshaw's claims, which are rather silly after all. However, I don't suppose I can really complain given that he was foolish (or business-savvy?) enough to make them. Perhaps "Some claim" should be changed to "Author Michael Occleshaw claims", and "However, most historians discount" in the Captivity and Death section could read "However, historians discount" DrKiernan 11:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Occleshaw is a fairly well-known historian of British military history, though, isn't he? The Tatiana book seems to be largely a flight of fancy, but he did dig up that diary entry by the sometimes untruthful Meinertzhagen claiming one of the grand duchesses was rescued. Granted, the speculation made in the book are laughed at by the majority and are refuted by the DNA tests done on the Romanov remains at Ekaterinburg, but the survival stories are part of the fascination for a number of people who are interested in this family. The missing grand duchess leaves the question open for some. But I've changed "some" to "Michael Occleshaw claims," and "Historians discount" since that's the truth. I moved most of the speculation to the Larissa Tudor entry last month.--Bookworm857158367 14:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that's fair. Thanks. DrKiernan 08:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Ref #3 needs to state a page number.--Rmky87 19:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose - 1a. Here are examples from the top, indicating that the whole text needs a run-through by a copy-editor who's unfamiliar with it.
 * "However" should not start a paragraph. Merge.
 * "Rasputin had released ardent, though completely innocent in nature,[33] letters written by the Tsarina and the four grand duchesses to him." Clumsy sentence.
 * "They circulated throughout society, fueling more rumors." What, the letters or the duchesses?
 * Overuse of "rumor(ed)".
 * Check for ungainly repetitions, such as "given" ... "given", and "fourteen-year-old Tatiana" ... "fourteen-year-old Tatiana".
 * "While she enjoyed the company of the soldiers she met, the young Tatiana also sometimes found their behavior shocking." Remove "she met" and "also" as redundant.
 * "As Tatiana grew into adulthood, she undertook more public appearances than her sisters and headed committees." What kind of committees? Awkward sentence. Tony 07:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.