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Grey-necked wood rail

 * Nominator(s): RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  21:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a rail that can be found in Central and South America. I came across it when I was updating pages with information from a new book I bought, and I wanted to learn more about this bird. Thanks! RileyBugz Yell at me &#124; Edits  21:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

From JC
Comments
 * Images look good:
 * File:Aramides cajanea (Chilacoa colinegra) (14231008961).jpg – confirmed free license from Flickr
 * File:Gray-necked-wood-rail.jpg – user created, appropriately licensed


 * No range map?
 * Shoot... I forgot that. Will request one. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It is usually not found at elevations about 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) - about &rarr; above, I think.
 * Done RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Link for "nominate"?
 * Done. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * duller look - is this just in terms of coloration or are they genuinely more boring to look at?
 * Colouration—specified. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The lead comprises nearly a quarter of the readable prose in the whole article. Could stand to be shaved down a little.
 * Well, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the whole text, and, to be honest, it would be hard to shave much off without losing the representation of whole sections in the lead. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * It was eventually moved, although, to the genus Aramides, - "although" not needed... I don't see any real contradiction.
 * Done RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * This is in reference to how the birds of the genus Aramides resemble those of the genus Aramus. The specific epithet, cajaneus, is in reference to the capital city of French Guiana, Cayenne. - somewhat wordy. Any way to tighten this up?
 * I tried to make it a bit more concise, is it good now? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Just a minor style comment, but it's a little unwieldy to have three consecutive links in the last sentence of the "Etymology" section. Philosopher is probably common enough that it can be unlinked.
 * Ok, done. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm accustomed to seeing ranges in weight and dimensions. Are these birds all 38 cm and 460 oz without much deviation?
 * Added range. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * This moult occurs during the months from March to June. - "during the months from" &rarr; simply "from"?
 * I would prefer not, as otherwise there would be two choppy sentences right next to each other. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * For berries, this bird will jump high to break of clusters of this fruit. - I think that should be "off", but I'm also a little confused about the jumping business. From where does it jump and how high?
 * I changed "of" to "off", but the source does not say from where it jumps and how high. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * in addition to being selfish. - in what sort of behavior does this selfishness manifest?
 * Added RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * it is adversely affected by destruction of its habitat. - seems a little vague, as I can't imagine a species that wouldn't be adversely affected by its home being destroyed. Are the biggest threats to its habitat man-made?
 * Removed. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The intro says it's eaten by people in northern Brazil, but the "human interaction" section mentions both Brazil and Panama. Maybe just use "in some places" for the lead.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Overall, some sections seem a little light on the info... I'd have liked to know more about its habitats, behavior, interactions with people, etc., but I'm willing to accept that it just hasn't been studied or written about in much detail. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 22:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it hasn't been studied much at all. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  23:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick responses. I'm satisfied with how my comments so far have been dealt with (though a couple ref errors have been introduced). Bird articles (and biology in general) are a bit outside my wheelhouse, so I'd like to wait for other editors to comment before supporting, but I don't really anticipate any major problems cropping up. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't worry—just fixed those. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  14:30, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support based on my earlier review, the fact that some areas have been fleshed out a little, and the look-over from knowledgeable bird editors. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:58, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments form FunkMonk

 * I'll review this soon. Of all the images available on Commons, the current taxobox image doesn't really seem to show the bird well, neither in pose or colour. Sure there's nothing better here? The article also looks empty in general, could maybe need some more images of it wading or such. FunkMonk (talk) 02:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Does this look good for the infobox?  RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits
 * Oh, foreshoretening perspective isn't good for showing how the animal looks, a profile view with non-tinted colours would be best. FunkMonk (talk) 02:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Does this look good? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  16:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The taxonomy section looks very underdeveloped. I'm sure we know what it's closest relatives are, what family it is in, etc. I don't think the tiny subsections there are necessary either.
 * Well... I will add the family, but I can't find the closest relatives, oddly enough. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  02:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at Google scholar? When I search this bird's name, the first article that comes up is called "A taxonomic review of Aramides cajaneus (Aves, Gruiformes, Rallidae) with notes on morphological variation in other species of the genus". Seems like a pretty big oversight this recent source hasn't been used. I'd advise anyone to search Google scholar when writing articles here. FunkMonk (talk) 02:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What? I use Google Scholar but I did not see that. That is really weird. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  02:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems there's a lot of stuff there that needs to be incorporated into the article (even a species split has been propsoed). Also, the ZooKeys journal is CC licenced, so we can actually use their media here if we want. FunkMonk (talk) 02:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Does it look good now? There honestly isn't much that is useful to add. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  02:58, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I see a lot more info that would warrant inclusion. There are mention of other species that were once considered subspecies of this (up to nine), that there has been much historical disagreement over how to classify the species and subspecies, that it is the most widespread member of the genus, the bird was named based on an illustration, and I could go on and on. I don't see a justification not to expand the taxonomy section quite a bit, given this amount of unused information. There is also a very long list of synonyms, though only one is listed in this article. There is also detailed information about its range, plumage variation, and song variation between subspecies, which is not mentioned here, but should be. You just have to read through it. FunkMonk (talk) 10:06, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done. I didn't get really anything from the section on vocalizations, as I am focusing on the subspecies recognized by the IOC—the nominate and avicenniae. I did mention the other subspecies of dubious validity, but otherwise, not much else. Is it good? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  16:56, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Anything else? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  01:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll be back soon. In the meantime, I think it could be cool to show a wading individual, as they seem to feed much on items found in water. FunkMonk (talk) 11:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I will go with the former, because although the latter would likely look better, the former is more representative, as this bird feeds at night. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  15:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice, I see no indication it is night, though? FunkMonk (talk) 10:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Removed. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I would list the binomial names of other species mentioned in parenthesis.
 * See below. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  20:25, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It could be mentioned this is only one of several species in the genus, now you almost make it seem like it is the only member of the genus. But this may be solved if you list the names of the other species mentioned, so the reader can see they have the same genus name.
 * I fixed this, but without the solution suggested above, as I don't like to add the binomial names—it just makes it look cluttered, in my opinion. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "particularly large for a wood rail." But what is a wood rail? You have not defined this group until this part of the text. Is it any member of that genus? Or a family?
 * Clarified RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, but that should be stated in the taxonomy section. FunkMonk (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Moved to taxonomy section. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:15, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * " with a grey upper." Upper what?
 * Clarified RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:55, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "and lies east of them" What lies, the bird? Weird wording... It lives east of them?
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:11, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * There are many single sentence paragraphs and sections that are left hanging, would look better if they were grouped with other paragraphs/sections. For example, why is the small sentence "This bird can be seen to perch in both shrubbery and even trees, something characteristic of the forest rails." not placed in the habitat section? Why are status and human interaction different sections instead of a section and subsection? And why is the voice section too sentences instead of one paragraph?
 * Done except for the sentence you mentioned. With that, I expanded the paragraph to three sentences. I am resistant to moving it to habitat because I cannot find a suitable place for it to fit in and because it is a behaviour of the rail, not a habitat. I would compare putting this in the habitat section to putting what they use to build their nest. I mean, one could make the argument that since a nest is what they inhabit, that it is part of their habitat, and that it should thus be noted what they use to build their "habitat". But, since nest building is, like perching, a behaviour, we put it in the behaviour section. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  20:24, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "In captivity, this wood rail is territorial." As opposed to in the wild? Seems a bit odd.
 * In the wild, whether it is territorial is unknown. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "slightly glossly" Glossy?
 * Nice catch! Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "precocial" Could be explained.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "In the nominate" By this point in the intro, you have not stated there are two subspecies.
 * Added RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The intro says "and the precocial chicks can be identified" and " The chicks that hatch are precocial." The first mention of "precocial" is not needed.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixes look good, last point I'd like to reiterate is that there seem to be a lot more synonyms that should be listed (see the taxonomy paper). Either list all or none, the current single synonym seems perplexing. If the list becomes too long, you can collapse it, like in red rail. FunkMonk (talk) 09:05, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done! Thanks for the review. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  20:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - alrighty, looks good to me now. The synonyms could have authorities, but it's not too important now. FunkMonk (talk) 20:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim
Some nitpicks <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  15:33, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "This bird" is heavily overused
 * Fixed. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * This bird's large extent of occurrence, along with other factors—In the body text the only other factor seems to be the large population, why not say that?
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Try to avoid repeating "large" <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 *  some recognize up to nine—missing "authorities" or "authors"
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * subspecies avicenniae be split into its own species—better as split off as a full species
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:14, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Other subspecies tentatively recognized include A. c. albiventris, plumbeicollis, mexicanus, pacificus, vanrossemi, morrisoni, and latens.[5] Of these, one has become a full species, albiventris, the rufous-naped wood rail, while the others have become subspecies of it—for this to make sense it should be "formerly", not "tentatively"
 * Well... this is complicated. I will change the wording, but not all authorities recognize the full species mentioned. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * subspecies of it--> its subspecies <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:15, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Aramus and of the Greek oidēs, "resembling". This refers to the similarity between birds of the genus Aramides and those of the genus Aramus —make it clear that Aramus is just the Limpkin. If you want an etymology Aramus is from Greek aramos, a type of heron mentioned by Hesychius, Jobling 52, same page as Aramides
 * Good now? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * those of the genus Aramus—I still can't see that this makes it clear that Aramus is one species <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh... I see what you mean. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

—* It is found in Argentina...—new section needs a subject
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Threats" —either say why these are threats or change heading to "Parasites"
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We're nearly there, just a couple of minor tweaks indicated above <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No other queries, changed to support above, good luck <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Source review from


 * Ref 6 ("Rails, gallinules..." IOC World Bird List) lacks a publisher
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Decide if you're going to include publication location or not - some of the books have them, some of them don't. It needs to be consistent
 * Fixed—I decided to keep them. The more information the better. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * No need to link publication locations in the references - it's overlinking there. (see ref 17 (Emery))
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:17, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done! Thanks! RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sabine's Sunbird

 * Intro is a touch choppy.  It lives primarily in forests and mangroves of Central and South America. It also lives in swamps might be more elegantly stated It ranges from Central through South America, where it is found primarily in forests, mangroves and swamps. If the species is rare in swamps than the other two habitats this isn't clear from the main article.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It is usually not found at elevations above 2,000 metres (6,600 ft), although some have been recorded at 2,300 metres (7,500 ft) above sea level. For the lead it would be better to state it is found from sea-level to XXXX metres, and sometimes above this.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * This bird, large for a wood rail,  Maybe tell us how big it is or compare it to something like a chicken?
 * I (or maybe Cas) actually reworded this earlier. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 *  precocial chicks can be identified through their black - their precociality doesn't need to be mentioned here, hatchling will suffice. Also, can they truly be identified by those markings? Most rail chicks look very similar to my eye. Maybe just say that they look like x rather than can be identified by x?
 * Same thing as above. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That doesn't answer the question "can they be identified." Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:35, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  20:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Why is IUCN status at the end of the first paragraph in the lead and end of the article?
 * Because of the fact that the status and breeding don't go well together, and because there isn't enough of an article for 4 lead paragraphs, in my opinion. Additionally, I would likely have to split the breeding and status paragraphs anyways, since the breeding paragraph is just long enough, in my opinion. Thus, we would be left with 2 short lead paragraphs—the first one, and the fourth one. So, combining them is the best idea, in my opinion. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:10, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm thoroughly confused by the taxonomy section - why is another species described as other subspecies tentatively recognized? Tentatively recognised subspecies is wording you'd use for a subspecies not widely accepted as a distinct taxon, not one doubtfully placed here. These are valid subspecies, not tentative ones. Also the sentence Of these, one is sometimes considered to be a full species, albiventris, the rufous-naped wood rail, while the others are occasionally recognized as its subspecies. It isn't clear which its is being refered to here - are they recognised as subspecies of the rufous naped or gray naped?
 * Well, a good amount of authorities recognize all of the subspecies mentioned as being subspecies of the grey-necked wood rail. Thus, "tentatively recognized" until more authorities switch over. To clarify this, I added "by some authorities". I clarified the next sentence. Is that all good? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope, still reads wrong. In fact Other subspecies tentatively by some authorities recognized include  is almost yoda-like, why has the verb shifted to the end of the sentence? But again, recognised in this context would mean that the subspecies is considered valid. You must explicitly state that the tentativeness (and I wouldn't use that term) refers to the placement here, not the taxonomic validity. Example  Other subspecies sometimes placed with this species include . Sabine's Sunbird   talk  18:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, I changed the wording to your most recent suggestion. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  21:14, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this is unfair but he subspecies epithet avicenniae honours the Persian philosopher Avicenna. do we know why it honours that philosopher? The paper is recent it should be possible to check. It's an odd person to honour for no reason.
 * Well, HBW honestly gives no clues on this one. Is it ok with you if I just keep it as is, or should I possibly add "who translated the works of Aristotle"? To what language, I don't know, so that might not be a good idea. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think what is meant is that Stotz, 1992, where the bird was named, should be checked. FunkMonk (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Lower end of altitudinal range needed in distribution and habitat as well.
 * Done RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The subspecies avicenniae is found in Coastal Brazil, São Paulo, south to Panama If you go south from Sao Paulo you don't reach Panama!
 * Oh, damn. Well, I certainly should update on my geography. :P RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * This bird can be seen to perch in both shrubbery and trees.[12] Not clear what this adds. Is this roosting?
 * Well, the source said "and even trees", so I thought that it must be important. For me, at least, it seems odd that a rail would perch. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Sentence starting The grey-necked wood rail's nests  might be better The grey-necked wood rail's nests are situated in trees and bushes, usually 1 to 3 metres (3.3 to 9.8 ft) off the ground, built on flat branches or in thickets.
 * Done. Also, with this, I combined the next sentence with it. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Is the species territorial?
 * I can only find that it is territorial in captivity. Otherwise, I don't know. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Cheers Sabine's Sunbird  talk  03:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And I'm done! Thanks! RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I replied to your reply. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  04:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Is everything good now? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  15:08, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

A further comment: In the lead Of the two subspecies, A. c. avicenniae is found in the southeastern portion of the range, - contrast with The subspecies avicenniae is found in Panama, south to Coastal Brazil, São Paulo. Given that Panama is in the extreme north west of the range of the species, the lead's statement looks very inaccurate. I take it that the subspecies is exclusively coastal, but I deduced this from the habitat requirements, not an explicit statement thereof. Also, coastal shouldn't be capped. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops. Replaced "southeastern portion" with a more exact description of the range and carried out your other suggestion. Thanks! RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  03:59, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I still think that The subspecies avicenniae is found in Panama, south to coastal Brazil, São Paulo. should make it more explicit that its referring to the coast. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  05:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just had to edit for source consistency—the bird only lives in southeastern coastal Brazil. I changed the lead and the distribution section to reflect this. Is it good? RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  16:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I made a slight change to your edit. Also, I'm still not entirely happy with this whole section: Other subspecies sometimes placed within this species include A. c. albiventris, plumbeicollis, mexicanus, pacificus, vanrossemi, morrisoni, and latens.[7] Of these, one is sometimes considered to be a full species, albiventris, the rufous-naped wood rail, with the others occasionally recognized as subspecies of the rufous-naped wood rail. My issues are twofold - one, it repeats something stated above - namely that the rufous-naped has been treated as conspecific in the past. Secondly it's still really clunky. So all it's really doing is listing the subspecies of a species formerly considered conspecific. So My first recommendation would be to throw it out entirely. If you don't, don't repeat in wishy washy ways the "may have been considered" - use more direct language when the rufous-naped wood rail is treated as conspecific other it includes the following subspecies.....  But really, just don't include them. Sabine's Sunbird   talk  08:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for rewording it. I reworded the subspecies part—I think that it is best to keep it, as a lot of authorities still recognize the subspecies as being subspecies of the grey-necked wood rail. I also reworded the part about the rufous-naped wood rail. I want to keep that part just to make it clear to the reader that A. c. albiventris is the rufous-napped wood rail. Hopefully how I reworded it is better than before. Also, I will likely not be able to respond to replies too quickly, as I am traveling. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  11:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Other subspecies sometimes placed within this species include A. c. albiventris, plumbeicollis, mexicanus, pacificus, vanrossemi, morrisoni, and latens.[7] Of these, albiventris is considered to be a full species, the aforementioned rufous-naped wood rail. When that wood rail is treated as a full species, the other subspecies are recognized as subspecies of it. I think this still needs rewording. Maybe The subspecies of the rufous-naped wood rail, A. c. albiventris, plumbeicollis, mexicanus, pacificus, vanrossemi, morrisoni, and latens, are treated as subspecies of the grey-naped wood rail when the two species are treated as conspecific. In this shortened form it could sit in the paragraph about the rufous naped.  Sabine's Sunbird   talk  22:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll implement your wording, with a slight change. I won't be merging that paragraph though, as it would be odd to list the dubious subspecies before the actual ones. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  12:25, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Cool, support Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Coordinator comment: A few very minor points which I'd nevertheless like cleared up before we promote. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We have a duplicate link for French Guiana
 * We link water snake to a DAB page, which might not be the worst thing in the world in this case but which I just want to check was the intention.
 * Two of the images really could use some alt text; I think the captions cover the others, but I'm not expert. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done the first and third–what kind of water snake was not specified, so I will leave it as is. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:35, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I was going to delink French Guiana (shouldn't all countries be delinked?) but then I noticed this which needs fixing: The grey-necked wood rail is found in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, French Guiana, Guyana, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, and Venezuela.[1] The nominate subspecies is found in all of the aforementioned countries except Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago. It is, although, cut off by the Andes Mountains and lives east of the range in Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia. Additionally, it is not found in the southeastern interior of Brazil. The subspecies avicenniae is found in coastal southeastern Brazil, around São Paulo.
 * If the species is found in Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago, but the nominate isn't found in those two countries, and and other subspecies is only found in Brazil, which subspecies is found In Trinidad and Tobago and Suriname? Not gonna remove my support but that needs fixing before promotion too. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  21:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like that is due to the fact that some authorities recognize more subspecies than the IOC recognizes. I will remove those two countries. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  18:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * HBW has nominate race in Trinidad and Suriname. Split races of refous-naped are all Central American, not South American. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, well that was kinda stupid on my part. RileyBugz <sup style="color:#D7000B;">会話 <sub style="color:#D7000B;">投稿記録  19:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 21:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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