Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gudovac massacre/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 14:18, 30 April 2016.

Gudovac massacre

 * Nominator(s): 23 editor (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

This article covers the first massacre committed by the Ustaše, the fascist movement that ruled Croatia during World War II. I'm hoping to have it on the front page in time for the 75th anniversary on 28 April 2016. 23 editor (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Image review
 * Suggest scaling up the partition map and the proclamation
 * File:Official_Proclamation_of_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia.jpg: what is the copyright status of this work in its country of origin? Same with File:Gudovac_massacre.jpg
 * File:Mladen_Lorković.jpg needs a US PD tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * File:Official_Proclamation_of_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia.jpg: It was published in April 1941. PD-Croatia says "a photograph or a work of applied art published before January 1, 1974" is in the public domain. The United State Holocaust Memorial Museum explicitly states it is PD.


 * Same goes with File:Gudovac_massacre.jpg. It was published in 1941–42 (displayed at a Belgrade exhibit in 1942, according to Karaula). The USHMM says it's in the public domain.


 * Added tag to File:Mladen_Lorković.jpg. 23 editor (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Comment, leaning toward Support. There are several terminology issues: Beside that:
 * "A monument called Gudovac: Before the Firing Squad". The name of the demolished monument in original is Gudovčan: Pred streljanje (see for example this document). The first word means man from Gudovac, and the third means execution with firearms. The monument featured a man with bound hands (its photos before and after the demolition, sl. 26 and sl. 27).
 * "The Gudovac distric". In the cited source, the administrative division centred on Gudovac is termed as općina, which I think is usually translated as "municipality". District would be a larger territorial unit, consisting of several municipalities. The Gudovac municipality was actually a part of the Bjelovar district.
 * "Veliki and Mali Korenovac". In the cited source, these two villages are named as Veliko Korenovo and Malo Korenovo (i.e., the names are in neuter gender).
 * "Serb officers, non-commissioned officers and soldiers". Maybe it would suffice to state "Serb officers and soldiers" to avoid repeating?
 * "The disarming and arresting of captured VKJ personnel". Is there a need for "captured" in this phrase?
 * "The detainees were transported to the Danica camp". Where was that camp? (It was near Koprivnica, but this should be stated here.)
 * "and the field was razed". I find "field" confusing here. I'd say it was a memorial complex (see above-linked photo sl. 26), or whatever term would be applicable here. Vladimir (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


 * All done, Vlad. Goldstein translates the monument's name as Gudovac—Before the Firing Squad. I had no idea what it's Serbo-Croatian name was until you mentioned it. Perhaps the correct translation would be "The Man From Gudovac: Before the Firing Squad". Alas, I can't find any source to back that up. 23 editor (talk) 00:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Support, the issues I've raised have been addressed. If the monument's name is represented like that in English translation of Goldstein's work, then we can leave it to that (though I think a closer translation would be Man from Gudovac: Before Execution). This comprehensive yet succinct and well written article should appear on the Main Page. Vladimir (talk) 18:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

P.S. If only we could find a PD image of the monument, but of course, this is no impediment for the promotion of the article to the FA status, which it surely deserves. Vladimir (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Support Comments: G'day, sorry, I only took a quick look as I'm feeling under the weather right now. I have a couple of minor observations: AustralianRupert (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * in the infobox: "184 – 196" should be unspaced;
 * in the Sources section: inconsistent presentation, compare "(2 ed)" with "(2nd ed.)"
 * for the works that are chapters in a larger book, I think it would be best to provide a page range in the full citation (in the Sources section). e.g. the Cox and Levy chapters
 * same as above for the journal articles: they should probably have page ranges (for the full article) in the full citation
 * the duplicate link checker tool indicates "Slavko Kvaternik" is overlinked.
 * "so-called" I suggest avoiding this per WP:ALLEGED
 * wikilink 40th Infantry Division Slavonska and other similar formations
 * "losses of 2 killed and 3 wounded" --> probably should be "losses of two killed and three wounded..." per the MOS
 * wikilink Fifth column
 * "He survived an assassination attempt in Buenos Aires in 1957": can we say who was trying to assassinate him? AustralianRupert (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

All done,. Feel free to post further comments when you're feeling up to it. 23 editor (talk) 00:41, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Since this article is nearing the end of the FA line with 2 supports, I'd be interested in your take on how it's shaping up so far. Best, 23 editor (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries, continued above. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All done, AR. 23 editor (talk) 11:28, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Added my support, but I wasn't able to fact check as this isn't an area of expertise for me. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'll make the request. Thanks a bunch. Cheers, 23 editor (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Coord note -- tks all for the reviews so far, as this hasn't been through MilHist ACR, I'd be interested in seeing 's comments when/if he has a chance, as another editor well-versed in the subject area. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I am pretty busy with RW stuff for the next two weeks, so won't get to it, I'm afraid. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:54, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'd like to see more commentary as well before I copyedit. - Dank (push to talk) 17:06, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, it's too bad we haven't gotten more reviews. Ian pinged a few weeks ago since he's Wikipedia's go-to guy for all things Balkan but I guess he's busy. Would appreciate a good copy-edit, though. Cheers, 23 editor (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Some BrEng dictionaries are fine with "marginalize" and "emphasize"; some prefer -ise. ("centralize" seems to be fine.) - Dank (push to talk) 01:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As always, feel free to revert my copyediting.
 * Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 01:09, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Since the article is nearing the end of its FA run, I might as well bring this up. I requested a source review a few weeks ago and it doesn't seem to be forthcoming. Could you please pull some strings? Appreciate it. 23 editor (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I had hoped to get to it tonight or tomorrow, but if someone wants to tackle it first, that's fine, too. --Coemgenus (talk) 17:25, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Source review. There are sufficient citations throughout the article, and they all appear to be formatted correctly. I can't speak to the Croatian sources, but everything else is certainly a reliable source, and there is no reason to do those others, either. I spot-checked footnotes 16, 20, and 53, and they all check out. --Coemgenus (talk) 23:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 14:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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