Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hatoful Boyfriend/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 15:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC).

Hatoful Boyfriend

 * Nominator(s): Silver  seren C 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

This article is about a quirky dating sim visual novel involving pigeons as the objects of your infatuation. Originally produced as an indie title in Japan with a hastily made English patch slapped on top of it, the game obtained an online cult following rapidly, which eventually led to it being officially published by a major games publishing company. A real rags to riches story. Involving pigeon love interests. Silver seren C 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Oppose At a first glance, it looks like the vast majority of references are either from the game itself, its creator Moa Hato's blogs or the websites of its developers PigeoNation, Devolver Digital and Frontier Works. Indeed I count only around 30 of the 140 references to be from sources that aren't self-published or primary. Even among those I'm not sure of the reliability of clickbait like "The 6 Most Insane Video Games About Dating", or unvetted, user-contributed content like this or Game Skinny.

Further, the prose is often difficult to read. It is at times overlinked ("severed", "pandemic", "Japan") and interrupted by Japanese-language text. There's also no need of a table for just one item. I'm puzzled why the story for the Bad Boys Love alternative game is ten times as long as that for the main game itself.—indopug (talk) 05:26, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Just realised that most of the self-published references is for content that is excruciatingly detailed and uninteresting to read. So you could kill two birds in one stone by severely trimming the Bad Boys Love story, Release history, English localization and Adaptations.—indopug (talk) 05:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have removed the Cracked reference and the Game Skinny reference. Daniel Nye Griffiths is a games writer for Wired UK, he is a reliable source on games regardless of if he's publishing in Forbes. I have removed a number of wikilinks, including duplicated links, though i've kept pandemic, since I don't think that would automatically be a known term for readers. Removed the graphic novel table as well. The Bad Boys Love section is the canon plotline that only gets unlocked after doing each route. It tie together all the character's, explaining their true backstory, including the backstory of the game's universe as well. It is basically the main plot. Silver  seren C 04:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm currently waiting for a response in this RSN section in order to determine if Technology Tell is a reliable source. If confirmed, I can use it to fill in a lot of the article since they've written a lot about the game. Silver  seren C 04:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Just noticed that reference #62 points to Tumblr. Is that really a credible source? Singora (talk) 04:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The Tumblr sources are from the author's own Tumblr (so a self-published source about themselves). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 05:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Oppose for now. I only got about halfway through, but I'm concerned with what I've read so far. Karanacs (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is information in the lead (attributed to the creator, current ref 5) that is not in the body of the article. I recommend you pull the info out of the lead.
 * The prose in the gameplay section is a little verbose. A lot of this can be simplified (for example: "As the game follows a branching plot line with multiple endings, at various points during gameplay the player is allowed to make choices that determine which character's romance route the player will encounter. " could lose the first clause and just be "The player makes various choices that determine which plot line the game will follow.")
 * I have no idea what "on in-game elective days" means
 * What exactly is "Bad Boys Love"? Is that the name for the scenario with the best friend? [I see that this is explained in the lead, but it needs to be explicit in the body too]
 * I don't like that interpretation "in a departure from the generally lighthearted romantic routes" is sourced to the creator.
 * The plot section is much too long - that should be cut down by at least half.
 * As noted above, a great deal of the text seems to be cited to non-third-party sources or blogs (which will need to be demonstrated to be reliable sources). I can't evaluate whether the Japanese-language sources are third-party reliable source or not.
 * I don't understand why there is a table in the webcomic section when there is only one row.
 * There is no need for subsections in the Adaptations section. Each of those is just one small paragraph - these could be combined easily into a single section.

Coordinator comment: Looks like there are substantive issues here that will be best addressed outside FAC. I will be archiving shortly. -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC) -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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