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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2015.

Hebron Church (Intermont, West Virginia)

 * Nominator(s): West Virginian   (talk)  23:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

This article is a comprehensive illustration of the history and architecture of a 19th-century church building, which houses a congregation founded in the 18th-century. The property is also listed on the National Register of Historic Places. I am eager to solicit and incorporate the input and guidance of other FAC editors and administrators. -- West Virginian   (talk)  23:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Support – very good piece of work; however, I have got a few things. Could you define "Simple" for me in the alt text of the main image? "Hebron Church was founded in 1786 as Great Capon Church" – do you think that Great Capon Church should be in bold as from the sentence I assume it is its original "name". Also, could you archive two links in beige (not quite sure if beige or..) here? Additionally there are quite a few MOS:DASH violations in titles of references. --  Frankie talk 19:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for taking the time to engage in this FAC review. I've actually removed "simple" in favor of rendering the alt caption as: "The main façade of the church with two white doors and upper windows." I've also added "Great Capon Church" to the first sentence of the lede as an alternative name of the church. I had trouble archiving the two links before with Internet Archive, but I had success archiving both links with Webcite. I've also added the en dash to titles with year dates in them. Please let me know if you see anything else in the meantime, and thank you for your support. -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Support - I have a particular interest in historical churches, particularly those established by German immigrants to the United States. I seldom see one so well written me.  I am seriously impressed by this article. — Maile  (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your appreciation and kind words, and for taking the time to review this article! If you like this one, you may want to check out Old Pine Church, a German Brethren church also in Hampshire County. I hope to bring this to FAC one day, too. -- West Virginian   (talk)  03:36, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Tim riley
That's all from me. A remarkably thorough article, with the principal writer's enthusiasm for the subject very clear (and very enjoyable). –  Tim riley  talk    20:09, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Lead
 * "The original log church was … used as a sexton" – the linked article, and the three US English dictionaries I have just checked online, use the word "sexton" to mean a person and not a building. (The word is again used as though it meant a building in "Construction" in the main text.)
 * I've changed sexton to sexton's house, as that was the building's function according to the Brannon source on p. 477. Thank you for the catch! -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "attended by West Virginia governor Herman G. Kump" – really by the governor, or just the future governor?
 * I've changed governor to future governor in both mentions. -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Geography and setting
 * "predominantly-rural agricultural" – not sure we want a hyphen here
 * The hyphen has been removed. Thank you for this catch, too! -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Church interior
 * "Two inoperable stained-glass windows" – does the adjective mean that they can't be opened? Not altogether clear.
 * It does indeed. I've rephrased the sentence as this: "Two stained-glass windows, which cannot be opened, are along the northwest wall." Let me know this works better. -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * References
 * On my screen there is a message at the foot of the refs: "Cite error: Invalid ref tag; name "Munske4" defined multiple times with different content"
 * I just noticed this myself, and I've corrected it. At some point two separate references became one. -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you tremendously for taking the time to perform this review. Your catches, suggestions, and comments are greatly appreciated and I've incorporated all of them into the text. Please let me know if you gave any other comments or questions in the meantime. -- West Virginian   (talk)  20:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , please let me know if you have any outstanding issues with this article and I'll address them immediately. Thanks! -- West Virginian   (talk)  22:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no further comments, and am happy to support the promotion of this article.  Tim riley  talk    23:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your review and for your support! -- West Virginian   (talk)  11:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Neutralhomer
I am still working on my review, but wanted to make you aware of a couple changes I made. I repaired one external link, and I changed a couple WikiLinks. On the WikiLinks, Brickwork and Flemish bond each go to the same location. Same with Brickwork and American bond. Same with the others. There is a hidden direct link within the text that allows this. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 19:40, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for engaging in this review, and for identifying and fixing the aforementioned linking issues! I look forward to your finished review! -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, the rest of the review is below. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 20:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Support: All the issues I had have been fixed or worked out. :) Very happy with your work on this article, it is going to make an excellent FA.  Well done and keep up the great work! :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 19:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for engaging in this review and for taking the time to respond to my comments. I appreciate all your suggestions and continued guidance! -- West Virginian   (talk)  22:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're Welcome, glad I could help. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 23:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments from the Dr.

 * Perhaps put the dates in brackets after American Revolutionary War?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "The brick church was constructed east of the original log church, which was west of the present community building. The 1849 church was " -perhaps change the second instance of church to building to avoid repetition?
 * " "four hanging lamps and calcimine" " -why quote this?
 * Also quoting "original design, workmanship and materials" looks a bit odd.
 * Do we not know the names of the pastors between 1976 and 2015?
 * " "the local interpretation of the Greek Revival style"; when it was built the Greek Revival architectural style, " -I don't think you need to repeat it here, paraphrase it to mentioning Greek Revival once.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:15, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sunday-school -is the slash really common?

Did you address these West Virginian. I support anyway, don't want to forget about this.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , I apologize for my belated response as I was on a brief weekend vacation from the wiki! I added the bracketed dates after the American Revolutionary War and I changed the second instance of "church" to "structure." I also removed the quotes and reworded the above phrases, as the direct quotes were not necessary in either case. I have not been able to locate the names of the pastors between 1976 and 2015, but it is on my growing list of information to acquire. I also removed the hyphen from Sunday school which had been erroneously added at some point throughout the article's multiple review processes. Oh, and I've rewritten and removed content from the discussion on the church's Greek Revival architectural style. Thank you for taking the time to engage in this review and leave suggestions, Dr. B! -- West Virginian   (talk)  04:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Sources review
A few minor issues:
 * Ref 1: inappropriate use of italics
 * I'm not sure if italicizing the title of an official NRHP paper is "inappropriate" per se, but I have removed the italics anyway. Thank you for the suggestion. -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref 3: Ditto
 * Template:Cite map italicizes the title of maps automatically. The map title's italicization here is suitable, as it is a formal published product of the U.S. Geological Survey. -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref 32: Hard to find the article on the barely-legible source page. A column ditrection would help. On the other hand, the ref fulfils very little purpose and could easily be dropped.
 * This newspaper article provides additional context for the purpose behind the construction of the Winchester and Western Railroad to the church's east. Since the rail line encroached upon the church's environment, I felt a mention of it should be included to provide a comprehensive picture of the church's surroundings throughout its history. The article is necessary to illustrate a brief "why" for the railroad's existence. Is this a deal breaker? -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref 33: Same again as above except more so. What is the relevance of a 1921 article on air-cooled engines to this article?
 * The article discusses the short line railroad's opening in 1921, which supports the 1921 completion date mentioned in the article. -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref 37 needs to be identified as a subscription service
 * has taken care of this one. Thank you Neutralhomer! -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref 39: The source page does not appear to contain the information that the church's congregation is part of the Potomac Conference in the West Virginia-Western Maryland Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
 * This too has been completed by Neutralhomer. Thank you for your diligence in assisting me with this endeavor, Neutralhomer! -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Refs 47 and 48 both require the [[Subscription}} template.
 * Again, this one has been completed by Neutralhomer. Thanks again! -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Bibliography: For consistency, the Boyce book should have a publisher location.
 * I've added Bloomington, Indiana as the publishing location for Xlibris. -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Otherwise, all looks well on the sources front. Brianboulton (talk) 00:40, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Brianboulton, I would like to extend tremendous thanks and appreciation to you for taking the time to engage in this thorough and comprehensive source review. While the Template:Cite map is a bit out of my control, I can add or remove further content as necessary. Please review my responses and let me know if these satisfy your questions. Once again, thank you. -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I took the liberty of updating Ref 39 with a current elca.org link and a link to the 2014 Synod Guide, which featured all the churches/pastors in the synod. That mentions it is part of the "Potomac Conference" of the Synod.
 * I also took the liberty of adding the subscription fields to Refs, 37, 47, and 48. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , thank you for adding the subscription information to the reference templates, and thank you for adding the source information for the 2014 Synod Guide! Truly outstanding addition! -- West Virginian   (talk)  19:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Graham Beards (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.