Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hill 303 massacre/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:43, 13 January 2011.

Hill 303 massacre

 * Nominator(s): — Ed! (talk) 23:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article. The last FAC got sidetracked on a discussion about sources and hit the time cutoff without enough supports for a clear consensus. Trying again to get the necessary votes. — Ed! (talk) 23:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Dab/EL check - no dabs or dead external links. -- Pres N  20:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Sources comments: Questions relating to reliability were discussed at some length in the last FAC, and it seems that all such issues were resolved. The sources are the same now, with a few more citations added. All formats look tidy. Because of repeated internet access problems (blame the weather or inept providers) I have only carried out a very small verifying check, but all looks well there, too. Brianboulton (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments – Only a couple of nit-picks to report...
 * The photo in the lead, once clicked on, has an ugly red error message in the source column. Apparently this is using the cite journal template, and if you don't specify a journal the source came from, it gives the message. The funny thing is that the link itself looks like a government report, not something from a typical journal. I'm pretty sure that if the cite web template was used, there would be no error message. Try it and see if it works.
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Execution: "One of the North Koreans who was captured said all or most 50 of the guards participated". I'm thinking the number was meant to be nearer the end of the sentence, like in "all or most of the 50 guards participated".  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 17:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. — Ed! (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – Nice article, and my comments have been addressed.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 17:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Support per my comments at the last FAC, with the caveat that I can't speak to comprehensiveness or source quality, and with the two minor nitpicks below.
 * "US Commanders" - why is "Commanders" capitalized here?
 * " began surrounding the Pusan Perimeter from all sides" - redundant phrasing. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed both errors. — Ed! (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Support for 1c/2c: Sourcing issues which were previously raised in the last FAC were resolved fully to my satisfaction by Ed! and the valuable contribution of a well written and encyclopaedic massacre article which displays high quality sourcing should make Wikipedians and Ed! in particular proud. Fifelfoo (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Images checked in previous FAC, any changes? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * All three of the images are from US Department of Defense files, per the original Government book they were published in, and per the site that reprinted them. Page xxii, I believe. Anyway if this isn't sufficient evidence I feel like I could just remove those images since the subject is already sufficiently illustrated with other images. — Ed! (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. I have removed the images from the article per the concerns. — Ed! (talk) 02:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:MSH, "Hill 303" section heading, but I can't see how to fix that, anyone? Could that text just be moved up to the top of "Background" without a section heading? Not sure why it's needed.  Not sure "In the meantime" adds anything there, seems redundant, at your discretion. Ditto for section heading "Massacre", anyway to make it conform to WP:MSH?  Also, "Accounts of the massacre are sketchy, and based on the accounts of four US soldiers who survived the event", accounts, accounts.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The headers have been fixed and I did some rewording per your suggestions. — Ed! (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Support -- Believe I reviewed and supported this at its MilHist ACR but didn't get round to the previous FAC. Anyway I know sourcing was heavily covered in the last FAC; as far as I can see, from referencing, structure, prose, coverage, and supporting material perspectives this meets the criteria -- well done. One very minor suggestion:
 * In the meantime, Eighth Army commander General Walton Walker had established Taegu as the Eighth Army's headquarters -- Not sure "In the meantime" is the best way to start a subsection, it could be a bit more self-contained. Does As North Korean forces advanced, Eighth Army commander General Walton Walker established Taegu as the Eighth Army's headquarters or something similar work? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Closing note, please do another WP:NBSP check. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


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