Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Homer Simpson


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 23:07, 25 October 2008.

Homer Simpson

 * ''Nominator(s): Scorpion0422 23:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Featured article candidates/Homer Simpson/archive1
 * Featured article candidates/Homer Simpson/archive2 - withdrawn
 * Featured article candidates/Homer Simpson/archive3

The last FAC had some outstanding opposition, but I believe that it has been addressed. The article has also been copyedited (huge thank you to Jackyd101 and Risker). You will notice that the article does not have an appearances section like other character articles, and the reason for this is simple. While a show like Lost has continuous storylines, The Simpsons has little or no continuity whatsoever, plus Homer has appeared in 422 (soon to be 423) episodes, so such a section would be a huge mess. Anyway, all concerns will be addressed by myself. -- Scorpion0422 23:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * Current ref 108 (What's the story with...) is lacking a publisher.
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done and done. -- Scorpion0422 14:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments Support Otherwise a very nice article which I feel I can support when the above are addressed.--Jackyd101 (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think "fictional main character" would make more sense than "main fictional character" in the first sentence.
 * Done.
 * "When Groening designed Homer, he put his initials into the character's hairline and ear: the hairline resembled an 'M', and the right ear resembled a 'G'. Groening decided that this would be too distracting though, and redesigned the ear to look normal." - I think I brought this up before, but when did Groening redesign Homer? If you really don't know, just say "Groening later decided that".
 * Well, his ear didn't look like a G when the first Ullman short aired, so I would assume that he did it in 1986 or 87.
 * The information on "Homer3" seems to have moved back to the Character development section. Why was this done? this was one of the reasons I opposed last time, as that episode in no way contributes to the development of the character (its non-cannon). That information should be included with the other animation information, which at the moment seems to be in creation.
 * I decided to start a "Design" section.
 * The stuff about Arabic Homer is still there but it still has no information about other translations. This was discussed on the talk page and there is a lot of information at Non-English versions of The Simpsons that can be researched.
 * I did mean to remove it, I just forgot. It is done now. -- Scorpion0422 19:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All done, good job--Jackyd101 (talk) 09:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Notes, left-aligned images under third-level headings (WP:ACCESS). Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support with comments after a small copyedit: What an excellent (and humorous, e.g. "Homer has a low IQ of 55 which has variously been attributed to … and a crayon lodged in the frontal lobe of his brain") article, – thedemonhog   talk •  edits  05:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Homer Jay Simpson is a fictional main character in the animated television series The Simpsons…" Okay, from a policy standpoint, that is necessary, but from a reader's standpoint, I find that ridiculous.
 * "The character received his first name from Groening's father" does not flow well with the rest of the paragraph. Maybe "He named the character after his father Homer Groening"?
 * Done.
 * A shorter dash should be used in reference #1 per WP:DASH
 * Done.
 * I suggest including more than one example for Castellaneta's other characters
 * I'm not sure if that's necessary because Castellaneta is most identified as the voice of Homer. If this was the article for Mayor Quimby, then I would certainly add that he voiced Homer, but I think it's not entirely necessary here. The reason Grampa is noted is because he is mentioned extensively in the above sections.
 * Too bad we do not have a picture next to "Castellaneta claims he is rarely recognized in public"
 * Indeed, but I'm trying.
 * "Homer has been cited as a bad influence on children, however; for example, in 2005 a survey conducted in the United Kingdom found that 59% of parents felt that Homer promoted an unhealthy lifestyle." The however-for-example is awkward; I suggest that "however" be moved to the beginning of the sentence
 * Done.
 * Is "in" better than "for" in "Homer has appeared, voiced by Castellaneta, for several other television shows"?
 * Done.
 * 'It has been described as "an entertaining little book for occasional reading"' Who said that?  The publisher?
 * I'm not sure, it's one of those pesky articles that doesn't list the author. I think it's a staff written article, should I mention that?
 * Thanks a lot for the review. -- Scorpion0422 02:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment the sourcing section of the fair use rationale for Image:Evolution of Homer.jpg appears to be inaccurate. Guest9999 (talk) 22:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How so? Those are the episodes that I took the screenshotws from. -- Scorpion0422 02:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that nothing from the Simpsons Movie DVD is currently being used in the image. Guest9999 (talk) 13:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, I missed that (I was looking at the description section). A prior version of the image included a shot from the movie, but it was removed and I forgot to update the source. It is fixed now. -- Scorpion0422 14:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Support but why are half of the accessdates linked and the others are not? Nergaal (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * cite news has access dates unlinked just recently. Gary King ( talk ) 23:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ideally that change would be applied to all citation templates... Giggy (talk) 23:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. All said missing refs seem to be there now. Tezkag72 (talk) 21:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I know it is mentioned again with references in the Commendations section, but the last paragraph in the lead needs to be referenced. Also, Commendations is not a common term and it should be replaced with a better word.  Support when these are fixed.   Reywas92 Talk  14:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * About putting a ref in the lead, per WP:LEAD, references are not needed unless it is a fact that is not sourced later in the article. -- Scorpion0422 17:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, I got some support from former Simpsons executive producer Bill Oakley, just thought I'd point that out. -- Scorpion0422 17:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, very good article. It contains all refs needed, but is it okay the number of images?Tintor2 (talk) 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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