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Hurricane Bud (2018)

 * Nominator(s): Noah Talk 20:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

This article is about the first land-impacting Category 4 hurricane of the 2018 Pacific hurricane season. Through some digging, I found the storm had done a decent bit of damage in Mexico. Noah Talk 20:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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Support from Destroyeraa

 * These two sentences - "Bud originated from a tropical wave that departed from western Africa on May 29. It traveled across the Atlantic Ocean before entering the Northeast Pacific Ocean late on June 6." - can be combined. Something like "Bud originated from a tropical wave that departed from west Africa on May 29, traversing the Atlantic Ocean before entering the Northeast Pacific Ocean on June 6."
 * This doesn't sound right to me and would be rather lengthy. Noah Talk 20:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure. However, link tropical wave. This is all I can find for the lead. ~ Destroyer 🌀🌀 21:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Linked it. Noah Talk 22:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, west Africa → West Africa. It's a proper noun of a subregion.
 * Done. Noah Talk 20:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Some additional comments:
 * The National Hurricane Center (NHC) first forecast on June 4 that a low-pressure area could form during the next several days. Where? You mentioned the tropical Atlantic above that but the source says in the EPac.
 * Specified Gulf of Tehuantepec. Noah Talk 13:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * the NHC forecast a near 100 percent chance of development while the system was around 400 mi (645 km) south of Acapulco, Mexico. I'm not sure if this is worthy of inclusion. We don't want to get too specific about what the NHC does.
 * Cut that out and merged in the next sentence. Noah Talk 13:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You mention "Bud" too much in the MH. Try to replace some of those with "the storm" or "the hurricane."
 * This should be better now. Noah Talk 13:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ~ Destroyer 🌀🌀 20:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to go. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀🇺🇸 15:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * The infobox gives a damage figure of "> $167,600". The lead states this figure is specifically at one particular mall. The text provides figures that add up to that number from specific stores, but notes that "Total damage from the storm in the Plaza Patria mall is unknown". Given that context, I don't think the phrasing in the lead is appropriate, nor do I think this figure should be included in the infobox. Sure we know that the damage was at least that much - but given the scale of what is not included, that could mean anything. (Also are there no sources that provide any other damage figures?)
 * I will just remove the field entirely per off-wiki chatter and change the lead to have a general statement for that damage. There really aren't sources for damage totals in third world countries unless the storm "beats the hell" out of them. Noah Talk 01:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The lead further states that "At least 100 additional structures were flooded in the city [of Guadalajara]". The text counts over 100 structures damaged, but damaged doesn't necessarily mean flooded
 * Source mentions affected by flooding or something similar, but affected could honestly mean anything so I changed the lead. Noah Talk 01:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Lead says 90 passengers were evacuated from a train, text says from a station - which is correct?
 * The train was trapped in the station by the floodwater according to the sources, but it isn't really necessary to mention being rescued from the flooded train and then taken out of the station. Removed mention of the station. Noah Talk 01:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Lead says "More than 60 homes in Maruata, Michoacan, had roof damage". However, the text says more than 60 homes were damaged, and of those "most" had roof damage - those claims aren't the same
 * Text is correct. Replaced the roof damage with wind and flood damage. Noah Talk 02:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Lead says the storm "slowed the growth of wildfires in the Southwestern United States". The text mentions two fires, only one of which is in that area.
 * Mentioned the two states instead. Noah Talk 02:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Why do preparations at the Marquis Los Cabos hotel in particular warrant mention?
 * It's really the only preparations that could be found for the city where the storm made landfall. I can remove it if you find it frivolous. Noah Talk 02:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Flash flood watches were issued for parts of Arizona, New Mexico, and southwestern Colorado." - the source supports the latter two, but I don't see mention of such watches in Arizona, nor do they appear on the map shown
 * Removed Arizona from this spot. Noah Talk 02:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Given these issues, I'd like to see someone spotcheck the Spanish-language sources (which unfortunately I'm not able to do) before striking my oppose. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of the lead accuracy issues for MX sources appear to be sloppiness on my part when writing it up. Noah Talk 01:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think everything is fixed. (Note that I support making Hurricane Bud (2018) FA)  Mario Jump  83!  12:26, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have asked for the sources to be checked with the utmost scrutiny, which is what Nikki wanted. She won't consider lifting her oppose until after that occurs. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 13:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have started a list that I will source review on the talk page of this FAC, and will chip away at them. Meanwhile, I listed three things there that should be addressed throughout, and left sample edits: 1) there is more than one El Universal, 2) please add |trans-title= to citations so our readers can know what the source is about in English, 3) there are incorrect curly quotes, and double curly quotes, and double quotes on titles that should be converted to single straight quotes (quote within quote).  More later, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  02:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I added links for all of those El Universal refs just to be sure people know which one it is. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 03:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I translated the citations and I believe all the quote issues have been fixed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 04:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Support from LightandDark2000

 * I think that the figure is appropriately included in the infobox. However, I would like to see if there are any more recent sources that have a more comprehensive damage total.
 * As I said above, unless countries report the totals and tally up damage, you won't see any total damage reports. This is especially the case for third world countries like Mexico. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * In the lead, I see More than 60 homes in Maruata, Michoacan, had roof damage. I also noticed that there appears to be an inconsistency when this phrase is compared to what's in the main body of the article. I would like to see this inconsistency resolved.
 * Fixed in Nikki's review. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * There were some other issues/inconsistencies that I also noticed in the lead. I would refer to Nikkimaria's comments above for those.
 * Fixed in Nikki's Review. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Consider adding a note in the lead specifying the NHC's definition of a major hurricane, since not everyone reading the article may be familiar with that term.
 * There already is a note in the lead. It is at the end of the first sentence mentioning major hurricane. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I think that you should also mention that Bud's remnants caused flash flooding in the Southwestern US, since this is another significant impact of the storm.
 * Added a brief mention. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link Post-tropical cyclone. This isn't a term that all readers are familiar with.
 * Linked in lead and met. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link Los Cabos International Airport.
 * Fixed capitalization and linked. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link Southwestern United States earlier in the article.
 * Linked in lead again and fixed in article. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link South America in the MH section.
 * We don't link large geographic regions that everyone should be familiar with (Ex: United States as a whole shouldn't be linked, but SW region should). <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The system continued to organize, spawning a tropical depression around 18:00 UTC "Spawning" sounds a little awkward here. I would suggest changing it to "becoming".
 * Done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Bud reached its peak intensity as a Category 4 major hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 140 mph (220 km/h) and a minimum central pressure of 943 mbar (27.85 inHg) at 00:00 UTC on June 12, while located 200 mi (325 km) southwest of Manzanillo. This reads like a run-on right now. Add a comma after "major hurricane".
 * Added a comma there. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * the cyclone's eye had warmed and become well-defined, Currently a little awkward at "and become". I would change this to "and had become".
 * Removed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * and the convection was decreasing in the northern half of the storm. You don't need the "the" before "convection".
 * This one was fixed... Just forgot to add a comment here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link wind shear.
 * It's already linked in the met and on the synonymous upper-level winds for the lead. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The mid- and low-levels of the storm split apart, You could be even more specific by changing this part to "The mid- and low-level circulations of the storm...". It's more explanatory that way.
 * Changed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * A Radioshack lost over MX$100,000 (US$4850) worth of products. Change "US$4850" to "US$4,850".
 * Added the missing comma. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Heavy rainfall from Bud caused the waters of the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques to become contaminated with sewage, which in turn sparked a die-off of four fish species. Since it's only 4 species, could you consider naming them? Especially if any of them are threatened or endangered.
 * Actually... I missed the part saying "at least" four species. The source doesn't specifically mention which ones died off. It lists ones sensitive to pollutants and discusses how officials state things need to change or X will die. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Flash flood watches were issued for parts of Arizona, New Mexico, and southwestern Colorado. The given source doesn't mention Flash Flood Watches being issued for Arizona. Could you provide one that does?
 * Appears it never happened. Im not sure what happened, but it likely was accidentally added since that area was in drought along with the other states. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Bud left mostly minor damage in Baja California Sur. I would change "left" to "left behind".
 * DOne. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * bringing much needed rainfall to the drought-stricken region. Change "much needed" to "much-needed".
 * Done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Rain from Bud slowed the growth of the 416 Fire in southwestern Colorado and a fire in southern Wyoming. Could we get a name for the fire in southern Wyoming? Since it's just one fire.
 * Source doesn't mention a name and I couldn't find any that do state a name. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

These are all of the issues that I came across. Overall, the article is pretty solid and close to being an FA to me. However, there are a handful of issues that need to be addressed first before it can be promoted.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 23:37, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * With these changes, I'm formally supporting this FAC nomination.  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments Support from Gerald Waldo Luis
Recently noticed the wave of storm FAs. I'll try help this nomination.

Comments on the lead

 * "Hurricane Bud was a Category 4 hurricane that brought winds and severe flooding to Mexico"-- Link Mexico?
 * Not done per MOS:OL. Most countries should not be linked. I also removed a few links from the lead I saw were in violation of the MOS. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "It was the second named storm, hurricane, and major hurricane of the 2018 Pacific hurricane season." Supported by a source. Leads are usually encouraged to have as less references, if they can be covered about in the body. Does this qualify the exception?
 * It is just a piece of introductory material that relates the storm to the overarching season topic. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...that departed from Western Africa"-- Perhaps linking Western Africa instead of just Africa.
 * Meant to do that originally but placed the brackets at the wrong spot. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...hurricane late on June 10, and further to a major hurricane on June 11." Probably "...hurricane late in June 10, and further to a major hurricane the following day" sounds more natural?
 * Did the part about the following day. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...one death occurred in Mexico City"-- I think omitting "death occurred" will make it less repetitive.
 * Done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * " peak rainfall total of 6.50 in (165 mm) was recorded in San Lorenzo"-- Perhaps linking to whatever "San Lorenzo" the lead is referring to?
 * Sadly there isn't anything to link to. There isn't an English Wikipedia page for San Lorenzo, Sinaloa. It also doesn't exist in Wikidata or even on the Spanish Wikipedia. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Ninety passengers had to be evacuated from a train in Guadalajara after it became submerged in floodwaters." Trivial, but if I were to be the writer of that sentence, I would have it "A train in Guadalajara was evacuated after it became submerged in floodwaters."
 * Removed from the lead. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "In Guerrero state"-- why should there be the word "state", when the linked article is all about the Guerrero state?
 * Removed the word. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...evacuate from their homes in Tecpan de Galeana and La Unión"-- Perhaps linking Tecpán de Galeana (municipality) and La Unión, Guerrero?
 * Removed that sentence as 100 people being evacuated is just as trivial as 90. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Severe flooding along a street in Mexico City"-- duplicate link.  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Removed the second link. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Meteorological history

 * "...that departed from the western coast of Africa"-- perhaps linking Western Africa within "western coast of Africa"?
 * Linked over the whole phrase. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...over the tropical Atlantic"-- perhaps expand to "...over the Atlantic Ocean"?
 * Atlantic ocean is too broad... I didn't see a link existed for tropical Atlantic, but it does. I linked to that marine region. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "The wave tracked over northern South America"-- Link South America?
 * Not done per MOS:OL. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...and later entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean"-- Link Pacific Ocean?
 * Not done per MOS:OL. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "The wave tracked over northern South America and later entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean late on June 6. Convection increased a little on June 7 before significantly increasing a day later as a result of a passing Kelvin wave. A low-pressure area formed early on June 9"-- Since both are supported by ref 3, the citation should just be cited after "June 9" since it's repetitive.
 * Done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Six hours later, the depression strengthened into a tropical storm, receiving the name Bud." The way "receiving the name Bud" is position at implies that "Six hours later, the depression strengthened into a tropical storm" is what gave it the name Bud. If it isn't, then I suggest separating them; if there is an etymology as to where it comes from, probably worth adding an "Etymology" section.
 * The storm reaching tropical storm intensity is what resulted in the naming. We usually don't add etymologies unless it is a foreign name for a storm. Bud is a commonly used English word to boot so I don't think is needed in this case. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "The storm tracked generally northwestward over the next few days under the influence of multiple high-pressure areas and ridges that were located over the western United States and Mexico." Is that citation overkill? If no, suggest breakdown (i.e. "The storm tracked generally northwestward over the next few days[6] under the influence of multiple high-pressure areas[7] and ridges that were located over the western United States and Mexico.[8][9]"; not saying that it is right, just showing an example of a breakdown).  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed the issues with that statement. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Preparation

 * "Red alerts were issued in the State of Mexico for the Iztapalapa and Cuajimalpa"-- perhaps linking State of Mexico, Iztapalapa, and Cuajimalpa?
 * Linked all three. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Admiral Vidal Francisco Soberón Sanz of the Mexican Secretariat of the Navy activated the Prevention Phase of the Marine Plan, a military disaster preparation and relief plan, in the Mexican states of Baja California Sur, Colima, Jalisco, Sinaloa, Nayarit, Michoacán, and Guerrero." Suggest linking Vidal Francisco Soberón Sanz, Secretariat of the Navy, disaster preparation, Colima, Jalisco, Sinaloa, Nayarit, and Michoacán?
 * Linked the several mentioned items. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Impact

 * "Rainfall totals of 6.20 in (157.6 mm) was recorded in Andrew Weiss, Sinaloa, and 6.01 in (152.6 mm) of rain fell in Alamos, Sonora." Suggest removing "of rain fell" as it is repetitive. And is "Rainfall totals" a spot-on wording?  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I adjusted the beginning of the sentence and removed "of rain". <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Jalisco and Colima

 * "A Radioshack"-- correct it to "RadioShack", then link it to RadioShack, perhaps?
 * Corrected and linked. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Water up to 16 ft (5 m) deep completely submerged a light-rail train"-- link light-rail?
 * Linked. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Parks and Gardens personnel used chainsaws"-- perhaps clarify what Parks and Gardens is?
 * "Parks and Gardens" is capitalized like this and is under a city gov't so I stated department. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "In Colima state"-- similar concern with Lead point 8, above.  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Removed state. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Guerrero and Michoacan

 * "In Guerrero state"-- similar concern with above.
 * Fixed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...beaches in Michoacan"-- duplicate link, if you apply the last point in "Comments on Preparation".
 * Done. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "At least 20 palapas"-- Link palapa.  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Linked here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments on Elsewhere

 * "A palapa"-- duplicate link, if above point applied.
 * Unlinked here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Several hectare of chop suey crops"-- Link chop suey.
 * Linked. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "The La Olla and San Renovato dams overflowed due to excessive rainfall from Bud, causing extensive road flooding and damage throughout the historical district in Guanajuato City, Guanajuato.[63][64][65][66]" Now that's a seemingly citation overkill.
 * Removed a generic flooding reference that doesn't mention the specific dam names and also a Spanish video reference. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "In Mexico City"-- duplicate link.
 * Removed the link. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...a highway connecting La Paz and Cabo San Lucas." Suggest linking La Paz and Cabo San Lucas.
 * Linked both. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...at the Taos Regional Airport in New Mexico." Link New Mexico?
 * Linked at the mention of flash flood watches earlier on. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "...the 416 Fire in southwestern Colorado"-- Link Colorado?
 * Same reasoning as the above. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

These are comments on a thorough read. Additionally, I would note that some sentences have double cites (i.e. "Blablabla.[1][2]"), and I would usually do a breakdown, if applicable. There also seemed to be no alt text on the infobox image.  Gerald WL  12:36, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Added alt text there. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As for the references, a decent number are simply saying something similar (when compared to the others on that sentence) and have mostly minor differences from each other. I don't think breaking them down further would enhance the understanding of the article. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 23:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Support: all my comments resolved.  Gerald WL  06:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

SG comment: I can't tell if dates are mdy or dmy (there is a mixture); I could run the script to standardize them, but I don't know which to standardize to. Since it's a Mexico hurricane mostly, would dmy be preferable, or was it written to mdy ? Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In text, in the references, or a combination of both? <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 19:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not understanding the question ... for consistency, why would in text differ from citations? Ipad typing, sorry for brevity. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  19:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The reference dates have the MLA date style. The text is written as a normal United States-named storm. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 20:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Confused :) So, the citations use dmy, but the body of the article uses mdy. And Overview of date formatting guidelines is unintelligible MOS gibberish.  But, what the switch in style means is we cannot use a script to make sure dates are correct in either the body or the citations, and we cannot use a template to tell other editors what date format to use.  So, I'm not sure this is a good idea, even if someone can figure out what MOS is saying.  Anyway, I was only trying to fix a faulty dash on a date range, which is done now.   Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  21:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

SG comment: Once sourcing work is done, be sure to put citations in ascending order, sample: Heavy rainfall from Bud generated currents that swept away a child who was crossing a road in the city.[63][29] Sandy Georgia (Talk)  16:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose from Jason Rees (Wikicup Participant)

 * I strongly feel that the MH needs love and consolidating as it should only be two to three paragraphs rather than four. After all, Bud wasn't overly significant when compared to other systems and isn't particularly deserving of a four-paragraph MH.
 * 1: "Hurricane Bud originated from a tropical wave that departed from the western coast of Africa on May 29. The system had minimal convection as it propagated westward over the Tropical Atlantic during the next several days.[3] The National Hurricane Center (NHC) first forecast on June 4 that a low-pressure area could form in the Gulf of Tehuantepec during the next several days.[4] The wave tracked over northern South America and later entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean late on June 6." Combine these three sentences into something like "The origins of Hurricane Bud were from a tropical wave, that moved off Africa's west coast and into the Atlantic Ocean on May 29. During the next week, the wave propagated westwards, before it moved over northern South America and entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean during June 6." In conjunction with this I feel that the sentence "The National Hurricane Center (NHC) first forecast on June 4 that a low-pressure area could form in the Gulf of Tehuantepec during the next several days" needs removing as it isn't relevant and is something that the NHC do all the time.
 * 2: "Convection increased a little on June 7 before significantly increasing a day later as a result of a passing Kelvin wave. A low-pressure area formed early on June 9;[3] as a result of the system increasing in organization, a tropical depression developed around 18:00 UTC while located 330 mi (530 km) south of Acapulco." --> This would be better presented as "Over the next couple of days, atmospheric convection surrounding the system significantly increased, before an area of low pressure developed during June 9. Later that day, the National Hurricane Center initiated advisories on the system, as it had developed into a tropical depression, while located about 330 mi (530 km) south of Acapulco. Also where is Acapulco?
 * 3:Six hours later, the depression strengthened into a tropical storm, receiving the name Bud. At that time, the storm had developed banding features – significantly elongated, curved bands of rain clouds – that were wrapping around its center. The storm tracked generally northwestward over the next few days under the influence of a mid-level ridge that was located over Mexico -> Combine these two sentences into something like: As the system moved north-westwards around a ridge of high pressure, the depression intensified into a tropical storm and was named Bud by the NHC as bands of atmospheric convection wrapped into the system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason Rees (talk • contribs) 00:26, January 11, 2021 (UTC)
 * I have implemented these suggestions with some tweaks to avoid having excessively long sentences or removing time references. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Query for the coordinators

 * I am guessing this should be insta failed per Nikki, Jason Rees, and SG's remarks. There appear to be significant concerns that need to be addressed that multiple others missed in past reviews. Even if I am able to fix the article in a timely manner, two opposes warrants immediate failure. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I strongly feel that you are giving up on this FAC way to quickly, as I feel that the issues raised are fixable with a little bit of work.Jason Rees (talk) 01:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Noah, I haven't yet seen anything that will lead me to oppose on sourcing; it does need some elbow grease, and perhaps you would rather do that off-FAC, but I haven't found anything horrid yet :) It will just take me some time to get through all of the Spanish-language sources on talk ... Sandy Georgia (Talk)  01:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Noah, I haven't yet seen anything that will lead me to oppose on sourcing; it does need some elbow grease, and perhaps you would rather do that off-FAC, but I haven't found anything horrid yet :) It will just take me some time to get through all of the Spanish-language sources on talk ... Sandy Georgia (Talk)  01:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think that it works quite like that, although my more experienced colleagues,, may correct me. If you wish to withdraw the nomination to work on it off-FAC, that is fine; you have but to ask. The opposes seem to me to be on fairly readily actionable points - although it may be that I am underestimating the work involved. And opposes are often struck. I don't personally see the need for a quick fail, although clearly you have a fair bit of work to do to turn these two reviewers around. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * please let me know where you all stand on this, and whether I should continue examining the sources on talk; I am quite behind on a number of things, and would like to prioritize my time :) I can continue to chip away at these if you are still moving forward with the FAC, but I am wondering because the so-far minor issues I have found have not yet been addressed.  Just let me know if I should continue (going to check a few more now).  Thanks, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  17:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I honestly won't have the time to finish this. I hadn't anticipated my class workload being so great, but I will have 120ish 2–20 minute assignments per week for a single class (foreign language). That's why I haven't been fixing anything recently. I will have to put this one off until I no longer have such a great burden. I will try to fix all the issues with this in the summertime. I guess until then, I will be on an extended hiatus away from WP. I hate to abandon this since it has come very far, but I just won't have enough time to do WP and my studies. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Best of luck with your studies, Noah, and do not hesitate to seek me out in the future for help with Spanish. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  22:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Tks for confirming that Noah, I'll treat this as a withdrawal. Look forward to seeking you back here in due course. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 06:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)