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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2015.

Hurricane Emily (1993)

 * Nominator(s): ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) and  Auree   ★ ★  02:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Although this hurricane remained mostly offshore, it prompted widespread evacuations with its uncertain track and caused historic flooding in Cape Hatteras on its closest point of approach. I started working on the storm's meteorological history and mostly finished, until User:Hurricanehink took over and conjured an impeccable amount of info on its preparations and impact. After a successful GAN and some extensive cleanup and fine-tuning on my part, Hink and I believe the article is up to standard, ready for its bronze star. Enjoy!  Auree  ★ ★  02:41, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This article is about Hurricane Emily, a seemingly innocuous storm that was, for most people, very forgettable. However, it threatened most of the Eastern United States and had an unusual track (sound familiar?). It was very memorable for a 17 mile part of the Outer Banks, where record floods left 25% of the population homeless. I confirm the co-nomination. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Image review
 * Radar image could be scaled up
 * File:NCbarrierislandsmap.png: source link is dead. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed these, I believe. Thanks Nikki!  Auree   ★ ★  17:06, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

 * "caused record flooding in the Outer Banks". Specifying off North Carolina would be helpful to signal the general area.
 * Specified  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Although part of the eye passed over Hatteras Island". It would be helpful to say "Hatteras Island in the Outer Banks" for people (like me) who do not know the geography.
 * Done per your suggestion  Auree   ★ ★  02:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Emily produced strong winds that coincided with a full moon," Are you sure that all readers will understand that full moons cause spring tides?
 * Changed to "coincided with high tides from a full moon"  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "At the time, it was moving toward the northwest about 800 miles (1,300 km) east-northeast of Puerto Rico." I think I see what you mean but "At the time, it was about 800 miles (1,300 km) east-northeast of Puerto Rico, and moving toward the northwest." might be clearer.
 * Moved stuff around  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * No change needed, but do stronger hurricanes have larger eyes?
 * Nope, it's usually the opposite case. A very small and symmetrical eye indicates a very tightly wound (and intense) hurricane wind field.  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Emily maintained much of its intensity through early on September 2". "through early on" sounds odd to me.
 * Removed "early on"  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "The evacuation was completed within 12 houses" Do you mean 12 hours?
 * Oops, yeah!  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "previously used after the Great Flood of 1993" during the Great flood?
 * Correct, during. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * "Severe flooding from the storm affected a 17 mi (27 km) portion of Hatteras Island" 17 sq mi or 17 mi of coast?
 * The source says "Severe flooding occurred from Avon south to Hatteras Village, a distance of 17 miles." So it's just 17 miles. That make sense? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC) ♫
 * How about "stretch"? "Portion" suggests to me an area which should be measured in sq miles. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That works great! :) ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * "Officials at the Dare County Emergency Operations Center fled due to intrusion of floodwaters" fled sounds POV. How about evacuated?
 * Reworded  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "older homes or structures not up to code" I assume building code - could this be linked?
 * Yep, linked!  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Sinkholes developed along the route, some of which were large enough to contain three cars." Why did the hurricane cause sinkholes? (No change needed. I am just curious.)
 * Major flooding tends to cause sinkholes, and this storm caused its share of flooding! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * " then-governor Jim Hunt declared a state of disaster for North Carolina,[42] while then-president Bill Clinton" I would delete "then". It is not needed as all governors and presidents are "then" when they are in office.
 * Removed all "then-"s  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * A first class article. These points are minor. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comments! I've addressed most of them; will leave the other ones to Hink.  Auree   ★ ★  02:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. And see one suggestion above. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support!  Auree   ★ ★  18:26, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support — thorough without excessive detail, easy-to-understand, relatively well-illustrated (I might have chosen to look into uploading a fair use damage picture, but I can understand why you'd want to avoid that), and meticulously sourced. I made a few minor edits to the article to improve flow, but if I inadvertently changed the meaning of anything, feel free to revert. Just a few comments/suggestions/random thoughts:
 * There were two possible tornadoes in the Outer Banks region. – I know the preliminary report doesn't help much, but it would really be helpful if we had some indication of why tornadoes were suspected (visual reports? damage patterns?). Not a huge deal if you can't find anything else.
 * So I found some more. NCDC mentioned "waterspouts" in Brunswick County, but that's far away from where any of the damage was, and it's in the section right above Hurricane Emily, so I don't know if it's related to the storm. The way they formatted the document was confusing. I also found this website called the Tornado Project, which says one tornado affected North Carolina, but I don't know where they got their data from, and I'm uncertain how reliable it is. So the only definitive link from a reliable source is the Hatteras NWS saying the possible tornadoes, which is why I left it as it is. Hope that's OK. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * On the south side of Hatteras Island, the storm incurred high tides,[15] producing a peak storm surge of 10.2 ft (3.1 m) in Buxton. – I'm not entirely sure what this means. I think "incurred" is probably the wrong word here.
 * Reworded  Auree   ★ ★  01:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 *  In Buxton, the waters rose 3 to 4 ft (0.91 to 1.22 m) per hour at one point, [...] The waters—1 to 2 ft (0.30 to 0.61 m) higher than the predicted 100-year flood... – Since the foot values are approximate, you should find a way to avoid such precise metric conversions. I'm no whiz with the convert template, so I'm not sure how to best accomplish that.
 * Went ahead and fixed this myself. Template parameter to adjust this is "sigfig=#", with # being the desired significant figure expression. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Within two weeks of the storm, businesses resumed as cleaning work neared completion, and the island was reopened to tourists.[41] Clean up operations in the region lasted weeks to months. – It's a little confusing to say that cleanup was nearing completion within two weeks, but lasting for months...
 * Tweaked this a bit  Auree   ★ ★  01:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Otherwise, not much to complain about. Nice work, guys. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there any merit to giving ppm conversions for the chlorine concentration info? That's how I'm accustomed to seeing this kind of thing.
 * Ironically, it appears that 40 mg per liter is equivalent to 40.05 ppm. I'm really not sure how to proceed. I can add it if you want, but not sure how to do it. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your edits, suggestions and support, Julian! Addressed two of your comments; will leave the other two to Hink.  Auree   ★ ★  01:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I concur, thanks for the review! ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support – powerhouse editor combination yielding a stellar article. I honestly have nothing to add to this. Awesome job, Auree and Hink. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, CB! Appreciate it  Auree   ★ ★  01:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Grapple X

 * Consider adding alt text to any images; it seems that the image templates used such as Storm path have fields enabling this as well.
 * Apart from that, I'm happy with its quality. I'm in no way capable of judging prose to an adequate level, however, but I'd be happy to support on all other grounds once the access issue is seen to. G RAPPLE   X  12:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Provided alt texts, I believe. Thanks for reviewing!  Auree   ★ ★  20:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per improvements. G RAPPLE   X  10:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 22:48, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the improvements!  Auree   ★ ★  10:09, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, and thanks for your help at TFA, Auree. Feel free to complain about anything that doesn't look right. - Dank (push to talk) 14:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Graham Beards (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.