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The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 22:06, 14 October 2017.

Hurricane Fred (2015)

 * Nominator(s):  Auree   ★ ★  18:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Although not as intense nor destructive as recent Hurricanes Irma and Maria, Hurricane Fred of 2015 was still a notable tropical cyclone for several reasons. Not only was its formation near the coast of West Africa, which endured heavy storm surge activity, one of the easternmost points for tropical cyclogenesis in the tropical Atlantic, but it also became the easternmost cyclone in the basin to attain hurricane status. Moreover, it was the first hurricane since 1892—and only the second ever—to move directly through the island nation of Cape Verde. Luckily, its effects there were limited to sporadic structural and crop damage, and offset by its beneficial drought-alleviating rainfall. I hope you all enjoy the article!  Auree  ★ ★  18:44, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Image review:
 * File:Fred 2015-08-31 1215Z.jpg: Seems pertinent and correctly licensed.
 * File:Fred 2015 track.png: Pertinent but license statement needed for the background. I know it's pedantic but it is necessary.
 * It's been a while since I've dabbled on Wiki: Which license does that image fall under?   Auree   ★ ★  17:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Same as File:Whole world - land and oceans.jpg, I'd say, for the background. I am not sure what copyright status the output of the track map generator has, I am guessing that knows? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The track generator output is based from public domain data, the recommended license is public domain, and the uploader of the file licensed his contribution as public domain, so the file is public domain. Tito xd (?!?) 00:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I added the license; see what you think.  Auree   ★ ★  21:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Fred 2015-09-03 1245z.jpg and File:Fred 2015-08-30 1435z.jpg: Pertinent and correctly licensed. Captions supported by text.
 * File:Povoação Velha, Boa Vista.jpg: Pertinent and correctly licensed, but I did change the filename as the town is named "Povoação". Caption supported by text.
 * I see no ALT text anywhere, although it may be hidden in the two templates that are used to transclude some images. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Will address this asap. Thanks for the review!   Auree   ★ ★  17:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I might be blind, but I don't see the requirement for ALT text in the FA criteria? It's been a while since my last FAC but I remember it not being a prerequisite.  Auree   ★ ★  21:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You aren't blind. I just point out the presence and quality of ALT text as a matter of course when reviewing. ALT text isn't mandatory, if people want to add it they can if they don't want they don't have to. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:53, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that, Jo-Jo  Auree   ★ ★  12:26, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. Well done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 22:21, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dank! Good to see you're still around :)  Auree   ★ ★  01:21, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You too! - Dank (push to talk) 03:41, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments Support As usual, you do a great job limiting the jargon.
 * Any reason you have a hatnote on the top? The title isn't ambiguous unlike articles where there is no year, so per WP:NAMB there is no need. YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Any reason Atlantic hurricane isn't linked somewhere? YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Atlantic hurricane now linked in opening sentence.  Auree   ★ ★  10:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * "Although tropical cyclones in the extreme eastern Atlantic are typically propelled westward by high pressures from a subtropical ridge,[7]" you probably don't need the "high pressure" bit, since a "subtropical ridge" is by definition an area of high pressure. YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I added it because I talk about ridges and high pressure quite often, as that was an important feature in steering Fred's path. Most laymen don't know what a ridge is, so I usually mention that it is an area of high pressure in met histories.  Auree   ★ ★  10:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Re-reading the sentence again, it makes sense. YE Pacific Hurricane  16:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Source for currency conversion (I always add a note in my WPAC articles)? YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Add TC portal link. YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You link Fred 09/Debbie 61 in the see also. Why? YE Pacific Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Link Timeline of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. YE Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, YE! Thanks for bringing up these technical and accessibility points that I would have normally overlooked. I implemented/commented on your suggestions, except for the source/note for currency conversion. Could you clarify what you mean by note?  Auree   ★ ★  10:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As for the note for the currency conversion, something like Typhoon Nabi the second note on that section is an example. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  16:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Added! Found a website that has conversion rates for previous years, including 2015. Do you have any more comments?  Auree   ★ ★  19:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Any reason inches are spelled out in this line: "On the island of Santiago, the most significant impact was due to heavy rainfall peaking at 6.3 inches (160 mm).[46]" You don't spell out feet on its first useage. YE <sup style="color:#666660;">Pacific <sup style="color:#666660;">Hurricane  13:57, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point; I spelled out the first occasions of miles and feet.  Auree   ★ ★  19:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Support on prose Comments by Finetooth

 * This reads well. I have a few suggestions and questions, as follows:
 * General
 * Even if not required, alt text for the images would be nice for people who can't see the images. Just briefly describe the essence of the image; e.g., "Map showing the track of the hurricane".


 * Lead
 * ¶2 "though the rain's overall impact on the agriculture" – Delete "the"?
 * I assume you're referring to "the" before agriculture?  Auree   ★ ★  00:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Finetooth (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ¶2 "submerging large swaths of residential area" – Should this be plural "areas"?


 * West Africa
 * ¶1 "Along the shores of Dakar..." – Link Dakar here rather than in the next section?
 * ¶1 "Victims in the affected region received more than 100 tons (220,000 lbs) of rice and 12 million CFA francs (US$20,000) in relief funds." – Where did the relief funds come from?
 * From the government; included.  Auree   ★ ★  00:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Cape Verde
 * ¶1 "were halted soon after squally conditions spread across the islands" – Trim to "were halted soon after squalls spread across the islands"?
 * ¶2 "Two inhabitants were taken to hospital when their home partially collapsed." – I'd leave out "but both remained in stable conditions" since we don't know what happened to them later, and we don't know the extent of their injuries.
 * They were in non-critical condition, so not seriously injured. I can see how the wording muddles that meaning though, so I altered it a bit.  Auree   ★ ★  00:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ¶2 I would consider unlinking Praia, Sal, and Santo Antão in this section since they are already linked earlier in the main text of a short article.
 * ¶3 "Efforts to restore the pier were yet to be completed by May 2017, about 2.5 years after the hurricane, resulting in public protest and exacerbating the island's precarious economy." – I'd trim this a bit, and I don't think you can exacerbate an economy. Suggestion: "Pier restoration was incomplete as of May 2017, about 2.5 years after the hurricane. The delay led to public protest and weakened the island's precarious economy." Or something like that.
 * I like it!  Auree   ★ ★  00:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ¶4 Unlink São Nicolau since it's already linked earlier in the main text?


 * That's all. Finetooth (talk) 23:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your helpful comments; I fixed most per your suggestions and commented on others.  Auree   ★ ★  00:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * All good. If a sudden rush of empathy leads you to add alt text later, the angels will sing. Switching to support on prose, as noted above. Finetooth (talk) 16:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The angels have sung—and inspired me to give it a go. :)  Auree   ★ ★  20:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources review
With so many foreign language sources, mainly Portuguese, my checks have been limited to format, presentation and link checking.
 * Refs 3 and 7 appear to be to the same source. In each case, how does this source support the statement cited to it? If navigation of the source is required, there should be notes to that effect
 * Good catch. Apparently the NHC changed their directory for the Atlantic outlooks since my last visit.  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 8: I think the publisher is Atalantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory, of which the Hurricane Research Division is a component.
 * Fair point; amended.  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 25: The link goes to Discussion no. 30, not 31
 * Oops. I checked both discussions just to be sure, and #31 is indeed the one that backs up that sentence.  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 30: Check publisher (who does not appear to be Le Soleil)
 * Publisher is Dakaractu, which is also noted. Le Soleil is the newspaper that produced the article they're archiving/publishing. I could clarify that in the source?  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Refs 42, 49 and 54: I could not get the links to work – please check them.
 * Strange, it appears the server is down. I contacted the agency through their Facebook for more information, but if this isn't resolved in a timely manner I will look to replace these sources.  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Otherewise the sources look to be in good order. Brianboulton (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks kindly for the review!  Auree   ★ ★  19:55, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Additional sources review
Hi there. I've never participated in any FAC, but the user above mentioned his difficulty in doing a source check for the sources in Portuguese so I thought I could help with those. I'm only checking if the information in the article is supported by the sources in Portuguese, I don't know a thing about hurricanes. Feel free to tell me if I'm doing something I shouldn't here in FAC. RetiredDuke (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ref 37 - I can't read the source article, it only shows a bunch of headlines. At least for me.
 * Strange, it does open for me. I took a screenshot of the article in any case, if you would like to verify the content.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry, that link is working perfectly fine. I was talking about ref 31, the Bissau Digital one, that opens weirdly to me. That was the reason I started this, I couldn't get the very top link to work. Bungled the ref number, though. RetiredDuke (talk) 09:43, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Totally fine! That article has indeed vanished for me as well. I replaced it with another source that hosted the same article, so you can verify the content now :)  Auree   ★ ★  17:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 38 c - "a sport center at a gymnasium" - that wording threw me off for a second, I had to check the text twice since there's no tradition of the word "gymnasium" or equivalent in the Portuguese language to mean a type of school like there is in the Germanic languages. The source refers to "cobertura do pavilhão desportivo do Liceu Olavo Moniz". "Liceu" is an old word for "high school", there's no other connotation for it anymore other than the indication that the institution was founded way back. So it was a high school gym/sports facility, I don't know which one is better for the English language.
 * Good point; "high school gym" is also simpeler wording.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 39 b - Is that a typo? The source refers to 26 million in losses, not 76 million. Also, I don't believe your wording is correct. That is a press release from the Boavista City Hall, where they say they estimate they will need to spend 26 million in reparations. Then, outside of general repairs and the ones that fall under the responsability of the City Hall, they estimate another 50 million losses in the private sector.
 * I rephrased this to better reflect your understanding of the text.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I will continue in a bit. RetiredDuke (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ref 42 - Link is dead. May I suggest this alternative for both claims a and b? I know it's not from Cape Verde, but it's a reliable newspaper in Portugal. It supports both claims.
 * Great source, thanks! I'd been looking to replace the Ocean Press links.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 43 - There's nothing in the source that supports the claim of "public protest". Must have been a mistranslation because the source consists of bureaucrats and touristic operators expressing their concern about the delay in reparations. RetiredDuke (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Protest might indeed be too strong of a wording; changed to "concerns". 23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 44 - This whole article is about the excessive sand extraction in the island of Sal. The only reference to the hurricane is to say that the situation worsened in the pier area after Fred. Concern is once again expressed, but there's no public protest.
 * See above.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 46 - This can also be used to support 42 b, if you prefer a local news source to my previous suggestion.
 * I used your suggestion instead :)  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 47 a - "prompting residents from adjacent areas to evacuate" - the source does not support this claim.
 * It's been a while since I worked on the article but I remember reading something about evacuations, probably in another article. Nonetheless, I cannot retrieve the information right now so it has been altered.  Auree   ★ ★  23:50, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ref 49 - Link is dead.
 * Per Brian's source review above; will look to replace if Ocean Press does not reply to my inqueries in a timely manner.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. For 49-a there's this video, the reporter talks extensively about the damage in São Nicolau, including on crops; sadly, he doesn't specify about banana and sugarcane. RetiredDuke (talk) 09:50, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts; I am going to look into finding replacements for this soon.  Auree   ★ ★  17:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness, I have found an archived version of the page! It can be viewed here or (under now-Ref 50).  Auree   ★ ★  18:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

RetiredDuke (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ref 58 - "and a few people suffered minor injuries when a tree fell on their car" - there was only one person inside the car.
 * I must've glossed over the text too fast and read the plural "ferimentos ligeiros" to mean that there were more occupants.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I finished the review of all the sources in Portuguese. All references I've not mentioned are good to go. RetiredDuke (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thorough check of the sources! It gives me more assurance to know the source contents and their transduction into the article have been checked by another pair of capable eyes.  Auree   ★ ★  23:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * & I have found replacements/archived pages for the remaining problematic sources. With that, everything should be up to standard. Thanks again for your diligence, RetiredDuke!   Auree   ★ ★  18:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

All my concerns have been adressed by now. I also went back and re-read the article in its entirety so I could throw my 2 cents and I found it to be very well-written and easy to follow. I found nothing to quibble about so I support this nomination. RetiredDuke (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Gratitude for your spot-checks of the Portuguese sources, and of course the support. Hopefully this encounter compels you to visit FAC again in the future, perhaps for more Portuguese-related topics :)  Auree   ★ ★  09:28, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 22:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.