Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hurricane Ginger/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 15:20, 6 May 2011.

Hurricane Ginger

 * Nominator(s): ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because it was the second-longest lasting Atlantic hurricane. Most of the time, storms last like a day, or two, but certainly not 28 days! Due to the time period and nature of the storm, there isn't much literature on the storm (although it made landfall, it didn't do that much damage). I've had a peer review, a GA review, and a few other people look at it, and I am prepared to put this forth to withstand the rigorous test that is FAC. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Juliancolton (talk) 01:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the extremely exaggerated nomination statement. ;) Otherwise, some more comments:
 * Ginger spent 27.25 days as a tropical cyclone, and lasted from September 6 to October 3. - "and lasted from" --> "lasting from"?
 * Okerydokery. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ...seriously? :P Juliancolton (talk) 02:06, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Why so serious? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * east- or northeastward - is the suspended hyphen needed if "northeastward" doesn't even have a hyphen?
 * I was trying to be fancy, but it failed utterly in my face (or hands). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The convective feature was caused by an anticyclone located over northern South America - I know this may be technically true, but I have a feeling it's probably oversimplified, since anticyclones are not known for producing convection.
 * Well, that's just based on the sources I have, but I agree. However, I changed it to "influenced", which isn't as definitive as "caused" and is still true. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * it maintained an unusually large eye formation - I don't think "formation" is necessary.
 * Mk. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * On September 24, Ginger slowed its forward motion, and the next day began a slow movement to the southwest. - I don't know, this just seems pretty forced. Any way to make it a bit more seamless?
 * I think I made it more seamless. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The threat of the hurricane in Bermuda prompted the British Navy to evacuate a ship and for two cruise ships to leave early - Sentence structure isn't cohesive.
 * Simplified. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * while along the coast three lighthouses were evacuated. - Who was evacuated? The workers?
 * Clarified who was evacuated and who ordered the evacuation. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Overall, there were no fatalities from the hurricane. - You mention one in the previous paragraph.
 * Oops. I had written that before I saw the newspaper report on that death. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Support a perfect example of Wikipedia's best work. YE  Tropical   Cyclone

Image and deadlink check
 * Article has five images with proper licenses and working source links where applicable. O ne issue: File:Ginger1971filledrainblk.gif should use an Information box.
 * No deadlinks and no problems in a CorenBot search.--NortyNort (Holla) 05:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I moved that image to commons. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:12, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Source review
 * Be consistent in what is wikilinked when
 * Use a consistent date formatting
 * Do all those newspapers actually say "Staff writer", or is there just no author listed? If the latter, be consistent in how that situation is notated
 * Be consistent in whether you provide publishers for newspapers or not. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response, I am away from my usual computer. I believe I am now consistent with wikilinks, in that I linked everything on the first usage. With regards to the consistent date formatting, do you mean in the body of the article or in the references? Yes, none of the newspapers actually say "staff writer", but all references are notated similarly. Lastly, I am similarly consistent for newspapers referencing in terms of . None of them say "publisher", but rather "newspaper", as per the template. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant in the references, which has been fixed. In terms of newspapers, two issues: first, refs 24 and 25 link to a newspaper with the same name, but are noted as having different names. Second, why do some newspapers include publishers (ex. Associated Press, UPI, etc), while others do not? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, good find with the ref 24 vs. 25. As for whether newspapers include publishers or not, I only include it if it's listed. If the newspaper doesn't list what agency they got it from, I can't put in anything for publisher. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I have no remaining concerns. Juliancolton (talk) 14:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments Hope that helps Lightmouse (talk) 22:20, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It says "3 million bushels of corn and 1 million bushels of soybean". The term 'bushel' which is local to a few countries and obscure for many readers. Conversions into tonnes would help in all instances.
 * You can't convert bushels into tonnes, and the article on bushel doesn't give a good metric equivalent. According to the conversion site I saw, one of the conversions listed would be liters, but bushels are meant for dry units, so I don't think anything can be done (unless you think it should include some obscure term like cubic dekameter). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The phrase "British Navy" looks odd, particularly with a link. It may be better to make the term and the linking more explicit i.e. 'British [Royal Navy]'.
 * Bah, we fought to leave the Brits 230 years ago, and I'll be damned if I have to abide by their titles and... heh, I wouldn't have thought to check on that one. Thanks. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The phrase "Record longevity" might be more plainly expressed as 'Record duration'.
 * Ehh, I disagree, I think it's pretty clear. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with duration... longevity is a weird word for that context. Juliancolton (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The phrase "Its duration surpassed that of" might be more plainly expressed as 'It was longer than'
 * I wanted to be clear to refer to the amount of time. The record does not apply for how long its track was, which is what I would think by reading "it was longer than". Thank you for the suggestion tho. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - Albeit a delayed one....I have no qualms with this article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Lean support, but some minor points to clear up first, some of which may just me thinking aloud. I also made some minor changes to the article. Apterygial talk 12:29, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "Heavy rainfall flooded towns and left heavy crop damage". Awkward repetition of "heavy".
 * With that map, it's quite hard to see which of the end-points is the start. Could this be clarified in the caption?
 * "It was also responsible for the formation of Hurricane Fern, Tropical Storm Heidi, and two tropical depressions." I'm assuming the "it" in question is the anticyclone located over northern South America, but I first read it as the convective feature mentioned just before. This could be clearer, as it seems it could be either one?
 * "the seventh named storm of the season". Of which season (I suppose, is it the American, Caribbean season? Who names these storms?)
 * "about 325 mi (525 mi)". Problem.
 * "sometimes 80 mi (130 km) in diameter." Is this a rough maximum, or an occasional average? It sounds vague to me.
 * "the fourth ever hurricane to be a part of the weather control experiment."
 * "by late on October 1." Does this work better in AmEng than BritEng? To me it sounds wrong, but it might be fine, in which case leave it.
 * "Ferry service around the Outer Banks was canceled during the storm's passage". Same as above; I feel it would be better as "Ferry services ... were" or "The ferry service". Could be just me.
 * "There were also reports of two missing people in Neptune Beach, Florida." I don't suppose you know if they were found?
 * "the highest in associated with Ginger in the United States."
 * "losses to the corn crop were mitigated as about half of the crop had been harvested." Presumably half that season's crop, not half the planted crop when Ginger moved over.
 * "Heavy damage was also reported to peanut". Peanut crops?
 * "Governor Robert W. Scott requested federal disaster aid for 24 counties, which was denied." Any idea why?
 * Thanks a lot for the copyediting, that was a rather fine-tooth comb you used! :) I believe I got everything except for the "October 1" (which is just consistent with the rest of the article's dates), and the federal aid denied. Having done another more recent hurricane article (post-Katrina, so everything is mentioned), it seems that requests can be denied if the damage isn't that outstanding, and it appears this was the case for Ginger. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry. I was referring to the use of "on", but looking at it again it's fine as it is. I notice in response to my third point you changed it to "The weather pattern", but to me (who knows nothing about meteorology) this is still confusing (which of convective features and anticyclones are weather patterns?). The question about whose season it was could still be clearer; I'm interested, if a storm forms in the Pacific and lashes Queensland is it included in this count. i.e., are they defined geographically? (apologies for being outrageously picky!) Thanks for your changes, Apterygial  talk 23:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. Please check the edit summaries. - Dank (push to talk) 18:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See the notices at the top of Template:inflation. The template isn't meant to be used without a citation showing where you got the figures.  User:Dank/MIL has links to some discussions by Wikipedians who understand the template better than I do.
 * "warmed its thermal structure": I don't follow.
 * "turning to a westerly drift": I'm not sure if you can turn to a drift. "before beginning to drift west", maybe?
 * "Virginia/North Carolina border": I don't mind since I see this a lot, but WP:SLASH recommends against slashes. All done. - Dank (push to talk) 01:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support on prose and MOS per standard disclaimer. - Dank (push to talk) 18:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments. About the inflation, I opened a discussion on the tropical cyclone Wikiproject talk page. We use that template on almost all of our articles. I'd hate to remove that from one article. However, I wouldn't mind removing it from all of the articles, mostly for consistency. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Good work. - Dank (push to talk) 01:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.