Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hyderabad, India/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 22:39, 4 October 2012.

Hyderabad, India

 * Nominator(s): Omer123hussain (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it fulfills FA criteria, it had been peer reviewed, passed through guild of copy editors and exclusively copy edited by multiple established editors. It is currently a GA and was earlier nominated for FA which was withdrawn by the advice of reviewers for more improvement. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Should be added to See also?
 * In Economy, List of tourist attractions in Hyderabad in the see also template looks off-topic as well as, shouldn't Software industry in Andhra Pradesh be in the article of AP rather then in Hyderabad?
 * As s/w industry in Hyderabad was merged to form Software industry in Andhra Pradesh, and maximum of 90-95% of those listed companies are in Hyderabad, thus it is reasonable to apply it in Hyderabad article.


 * Osmania University is linked twice in a single section
 * Done


 * Captions in most of the images is pretty poor and somewhere there is just the name kept. Per WP:CAPTION, please expand them (but not too much).
 * Done


 * In Sister Cities, the table is too big compared to the content. Like Delhi, please make it more compact
 * Done


 * In demographics, since there are not many records, please change  {{India census population|title=Hyderabad Population  -> to ->  {{India census population|state=|title=Hyderabad Population 
 * Many images lack WP:ALT and few require to be improved.
 * Done


 * Dead links need to be fixed
 * Done

 TheSpecialUser {{sup| TSU }} 17:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Should Etymology be as a separate section? We have it that way in the longest standing FA of WP:IND and I've never seen Etymology being a part of History section.  TheSpecialUser {{sup| TSU }} 03:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In the earlier FAC it was advised to merge the Etymology section as it contains few sentences only, and there is nothing much about the city etymology to expand the section as it was founded in 1591, as a new city beside the Golconda and earlier to it the place was just a forest without any settlement. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Image check - 2 problems and 2 nitpicks
 * {{:file:Falaknuma_1900.jpg}} - "Author unknown" and pd-old-100 do not work for a photo taken in 1900 (the author could have lived well beyond 1912). The CC-3.0. tag doesn't help to solve the problem (assuming the uploader is not the original author). For copyright notice of the source website "The British Library Board" see . - needs some research or removal.
 * {{:file:Hyderabad_India_map_attempt_1.svg}} - Open Street Map uses CC-BY-SA 2.0, not 3.0.
 * {{:File:Hyderabad_india_.jpg}} - lacks author info. If no author can be specified, it's still better to add "Author unknown". Done
 * Other images look OK, though some of the pd-self images could use explicit author and source info for clarity.
 * Suggest to use summary templates, when adding image information to commons for better structure. GermanJoe (talk) 11:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed the Falaknama image as suggested.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. I'm always keen to see FAs developed on major geographical locations, but seeing a fair few issues here, from detailed to broader issues. This from just a cursory glance:
 * "Hyderabad state was split from Hyderabad and added into 3 states." One thing cannot be added into three things. Perhaps H state was divided amongst 3 states? Also, should not numerals below ten be spelt out per MOS? Further, if the state was split from Hyderabad (city), that implies the city is no longer part of a state at all. Then, later in the para, sentences get out of chronological order.
 * Sorry for the confusion there. The statement was erroneous. Changed to the following, "On 1 November 1956, the states of India were reorganised by language group. Hyderabad state ceased to exist; it was split into three parts which were added to Maharashtra, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh."--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Maharashtra and Karnataka were named so only in 1960 and 1973. I recommend adding a "what is now" before Maharashtra.—indopug (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "The Golconda and the Hyderabad styles are two branches of the Deccani school of painting.[154] The Golconda style that originated in 16th century during Qutb Shahi sultans..." There seem to be one too many "the"s in first sentence, two too few in the second sentence, and I'm not clear whether what is meant is "during the reign of the Qutb Shahi sultans", or something else.
 * It now reads, "The Golconda and Hyderabad styles are branches of the Deccani painting. The Golconda style that was developed during the 16th century is an insightful native style..."--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "Hyderabad is twinned with neighboring Secunderabad, separated through Hussain Sagar lake." Not according to the list of twinned cities at the end of the article. And the use of "through" here appears incorrect. Actually, another problem is that this sentence appears to be in completely the wrong section of the article, as it is about administrative units, but is in the "neighbourhood and landmarks" section??
 * The "twinning" here refers to Twin cities (geographical proximity), such as Minneapolis and St Paul.
 * Is separated "by" ok?
 * Mentioning Secundrabad is probably ok in this section; however, mention of GHMC is not needed.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "Central Hyderabad, bisected by the Musi River, is the city nucleus." Well, yes, the centre is pretty much always the nucleus. and the article has just repeated the information about the river's place (albeit in a slightly different way) twice in two paras.
 * Removed the nucleus bit. Please have a look at the second paragraph now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "Hyderabad is known as the "City of Pearls" due to the presence of pearls trading industry." should be "Hyderabad is known as the "City of Pearls" due to the presence of a pearl trading industry." But in any case better writing might be, eg, "Hyderabad is known as the "City of Pearls" due to its role in the pearl trade." or, better again, eg, "Hyderabad is known as the "City of Pearls" due to its role in the trade of those precious jewels."
 * Done by Omer.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Under climate, there are two sentences about rainfall, separated by one about sunshine, and in the process the article switches from mm to cm for the rainfall measurement.
 * Yeah, bad mistake. Tried to fix. Please have a look. --Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Not sure where to start with the "administration" section.
 * It is hard to understand the local government stuff. We are never told what the GHMC's actual responsibilities are. The HMDA is wierd: it has jurisdiction over an area ten times that of Hyderabad, but its name says "metropolitan". This requires some sort of explanation. And how does one distinguish its activities from those of GHMC? Is it elected? How? Or is it actually run by the GHMC?
 * We have tried to change th etext, and expand the function of these agencies. Does it read more lucid and understandable now?--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The "Hyderabad Metropolitan Water Supply and Sewerage Board (HMWSSB)" is writen out in full, and with acronym, and with wikilink, twice in one section. I think there's a fair bit of other overlinking of organisations in the article.
 * Although the HMWSSB acronym is used, there's a bunch of other acronyms provided, both here and in the transport section, that are never actually used. If the article doesn't use the acronym, it shouldn't provide it.
 * Removed many acronyms that were not subsequently used in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In the bit about police, it is explained that the H city police have jurisdiction over a smaller area than the whole city, the rest being covered by the "Cyberabad Police Commissionerate". This is the first mention of cyberabad, yet it appears to somehow represent a significant part of the city. What/ where is it??
 * The main contributor made some changes, and I also helped him. Please have a look.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * "the Andhra Pradesh Legislature Assembly". Do you mean the "Andhra Pradesh Legislature"? "Legislative assembly" refers to one of teh two houses of such a bicameral system. "Legislature assembly" is unknown. This incorrect term is used at least twice, including with a wikilink...to the article with the correct term...
 * Changed accordingly.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "Muslims have large presence across the city," should be "Muslims have a large presence across the city,", but it still isn't great wording.
 * Changed to, "In Hyderabad, Hindus form the majority of the population. Muslims, although present throughout the city, predominate in and around the Old City.". Is it ok? Or, is it inappropriate use of although?--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The "slums" subsection suggests the need for a general copyedit and prose improvement, with overly frequent repetition of the word/phrase "slums / in the slums / of the slums", even though we have been told that these are the subject of the the section.
 * Removed some "slum"s.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "comprises a broad repertoire of spice, rice, wheat and meat dishes." I don't think there can be a "spice dish". Something else is always the base, such as rice, wheat or meat. What was meant? "Spiced rice, what and meat dishes"? Or some other text about spices?
 * Changed to, " It comprises a broad repertoire of rice, wheat and meat dishes, and the skilled use of various spices.". Is it more easily understandable?--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "Hyderabadi cuisine is highly influenced by Mughals and partially by French,[164] Arabic, Turkish and Irani influences along with native Telugu and Marathwada cuisines employ rice, wheat, spices and meat to great effect, bringing a unique taste to Hyderabadi dishes" - is not a sentence.
 * Yeah, again horrible mistake.Fixed, removed repetitive part (same information already provided in this section).--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Reference list has some references appearing with bullets, and it isn't clear what they relate to. Are they legacies of an earlier referencing system?
 * Yes, you are correct in guessing that the bullets are the legacy of an earlier reference system. Although uncommon, it is ok per MoS to group references in this way (sorry I could not find out where in MoS read this). Indeed one reviewer in earlier reviews suggested to use grouping of references, and that is why we did not un-group those bulleted references. Do you suggest we ungroup them?--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at this stage (other editors may have a view) - for now just concentrate on consistency of format (see note below). hamiltonstone (talk) 12:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Referencing is inconsistent. Compare bullet afer note 85 with footnote 128 - however, most seem pretty good, and I'm wondering if this is related only to the bulleted refs?
 * Hmmm, Don't know how that mistake persisted. Anyway, corrected this particular example. May be you are correct in suggesting that the anomalies may be in the bulleted references, as those are relatively older (and perhaps untouched to a large extent) references. We will look at the all the bulleted references. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I did take a look at the bullet-references, and made some corrections/changes. Please have a look. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Found "labor" and "neighboring" but "colour" - consistency of English spelling US / UK?
 * We follow UK English. Still some US English may linger due to multiple editors editing the article, and due to the fact that we missed those during scrutiny.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, ran a script to get rid of US English. All usual spelling mistakes are now corrected. Only one noted instance of US English that remains is the use of center (instead of the UK spelling centre) in the "see also" section at the beginning of the Education section, where an article is directly linked, and the name of that article uses "center" instead of "centre".--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

That is just a sample. I see many of the kinds of issues I have raised were mentioned at the last FAC. Looks like there's still work to be done, sorry. hamiltonstone (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Very thanks for your time and review, As english is not my native language, for which I might have done prose and grammar mistakes somewhere, which i will correct very soon, Today I made some corrections as per your advice, remaining we will fix very soon. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank for the excellent review. As Omer mentioned above, we tend to do peculiar mistakes (such as unorthodox use of "the"!) as English is not our first language. We hoped that the GoCE copyedit would help a lot in getting rid of such mistakes. The copyedit indeed has helped a lot in improving the article. Please continue to review, Omer has really given a great deal of effort behind this article :) Thanks again, regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


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