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I'm Not Your Hero

 * Nominator(s): 和DITOR  E tails 02:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

"I'm Not Your Hero" is a song by Tegan and Sara off there critically-acclaimed Heartthrob. It did moderately on the Canadian and French charts. Writers who have reviewed the article have noticed its significant amount of effort that I put into this. I feel every bit of information necessary to this topic is included, and the writing is also great. Any comments are welcomed. 和DITOR E tails 02:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comments by Tbhotch.
 * Infobox
 * •In Recorded, I think the year and studios should be separated by a semicolon.*
 * • Warner Bros. Records -> Warner Bros.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * *I was referring to this: Warner Bros. . Sorry for not being more explicit. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (*) Optional


 * Lead
 * •"indie rock/indie pop duo" -> MOS:SLASH
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •The lyrics for the three-minute and 51-second -> Probably falls into Numbers.
 * I don't think this part of the article is necessary for the lead, so I removed it. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •It peaked at number -> "I'm Not Your Hero" peaked at number
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •their "Let's Make Things Physical" tour -> Tours are not quoted
 * Opps! Fixed. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * "Song"
 * •"Song" -> "Writing and composition"; the whole article is about a song.
 * Changed to "Production and composition" edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"it was revealed" ->
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"Tegan and Sara Quin" is wikilinked after a previous usage of Tegan and Sara.
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"...I found the verses to be quintessential Sara." -> Needs a source here per BLP.
 * Fixed. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:35, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"lasts for three minutes and 51 seconds." -> Same as lead.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 01:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •Back in my day Musicnotes.com was not a reliable source. I don't know if it still being unreliable and if it should be removed. Note I am referring to the website itself and not to the music sheet provided by the website.
 * Removed if the source was unreliable. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I see you removed the whole text and source. Unfortunately, I wasn't referring to this. It was simply to remove the url. But, I have checked other FAs including "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", "4 Minutes" and "Rehab (Rihanna song)". They all include the website, but at the same time they include the following line "According to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com by [Publisher]". Also, I found this that didn't exist before: WP:USM. So, you can re-add it, but with the given format. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Source re-added with format edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 01:13, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"...found the non-traditional rhythms 'strangely reminiscent' of 'Sweet Disposition'..." is similarly written as ARL's.
 * Quoted


 * Release and reception
 * •"Their seventh studio album, Heartthrob, came out on January 29, 2013, and "I'm Not Your Hero" was released on October 21, 2012 as a promotional single for worldwide streaming." -> Chronological order needed.
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •""I'm Your Not Hero" entered the French SNEP singles..." -> They're Canadian, why not enlist Canada first?
 * I understand what your saying, but this is because France is where the song charted first. It charted in France in 2012, and didn't start charting in Canada until 2014. Also, since you have said that chronological order is needed per above, I have just clarified this information in the article, but I'll still accept your argument if you still disagree. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it's OK. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"a total of eleven weeks" -> Consistency.
 * I just checked the group's page from Billboard.com showing their chart performances on the Canadian Hot 100, and oddly enough, the source now saids the song chart3e for only one week when it peaked at number 58, even though it had debuted on the chart of number 82 five weeks before without leaving once during those five weeks. This must have been an error of the source I initially used. I have replaced this source with a much more accurate Billboard.biz search showing the song lasted 13 weeks. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * *OK, but I was referring to the eleven (now thirteen) spelled out. Also, the external link is now wrongly written. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Why the link is messed up is because of the brackets in the url. I've tried "nowiki"ing them even using the cite web template, but the link keeps getting messed up. Do you know anyway to fix this? edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 00:06, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a technical issue. The only solution is to include this website alone: . Later include a "|id=" guiding the reader the instructions they must follow to arrive to the information. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * References
 * •teganandsara.com. -> Tegan and Sara Official Website.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •Warner Bros. (Ref. 4) -> They refer to as "The Live Room powered by Warner Music"; also a "Official YouTube Channel" could be added.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •If Musicnotes.com link is kept, the message "Oops! The item you have requested, catalog # MN0125416, is currently unavailable." appears.
 * Again, removed if source was unreliable edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •MTV Buzzworthy. -> I think it is unitaliziced.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •Paste's archive website is not working as desired.
 * Really? When I went on the archived page, it was working just fine on my browser. But updating link anyway edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 01:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Somehow it sent me to Paste's main page. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"Tegan and Sara Official YouTube Channel." -> If you add a link for YT before, don't forget to remove this one.
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 01:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •iTunes Store (GB). -> iTunes Store (GB) or iTunes Store (Great Britain).
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •"Billboard. Prometheus Global Media" (Ref. 18) -> "Billboard. Prometheus Global Media"
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •Ref. 19 displays an error message.
 * Fixed edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 21:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •MTV Hive. -> Same as Buzzworthy.
 * Done edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •Alter The Press! -> In the main text it appears as "Alter The Press!"; it should be consistent.
 * Fixed. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * External sites
 * •"Tegan and Sara official site" -> I don't see how it is relevant here.
 * Removed if this is the case. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 19:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Media (Images, etc.)
 * •File:Tegan-and-Sara-I'm-Not-Your-Hero.jpg -> IMO, the file is PD. Warner Bros. logo was found to be PD, according to [Commons:Deletion requests/File:Warner Channel.svg Commons]. While I do not agree with that result, the logo here is similar to that of WB TV. If the cover is to be kept here as NFC, it has to be reduced to 300px x 300px. Otherwise, you can bring this to WP:NFCR to determinate its status.
 * I forgot this, it also needs an online link. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 23:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Added edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 00:08, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * •File:SaraQuin.JPG seems OK. Not necessarily but, a Personality Rights (Commons only) can be added to the picture.
 * •Optional as well, but a sample of the song can be added as well, considering it can have value to the article.


 * Other
 * •SaraQuin.JPG is missing an ALT description.
 * Added edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 22:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

These are all the issues I could find. Good work. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 04:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions, I'll get to work on them after school, :) edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 12:31, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. Main issues resolved. But, I still thinking File:Tegan-and-Sara-I'm-Not-Your-Hero.jpg has to be independently reviewed. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 19:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎 02:00, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this, in exchange for a peer review of "Help Is on the Way"
 * Comments by Famous Hobo

Lead Production and composition Release and reception Live performances Personnel and credits
 * "I'm Not Your Hero" is a song by Canadian indie rock and indie pop duo Tegan and Sara. This is more of a personal preference, but is it possible to list just one genre? While artists can obviously vary in their musical style, they usually stay within one overarching genre, like rock or pop. From a quick listen to the actual song, it sounds more pop than rock. Besides, their About page says they bridge the pop and indie worlds. You can keep the sentence as is however, if you perfer.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Reviews were mostly positive upon release, with critics praising the songwriting and composition that is comparable to the works of Santigold, Fleetwood Mac and The Temper Trap. The second half of the sentence is worded awkwardly, try "with critics praising the songwriting, and comparing composition to that of Santigold, Fleetwood Mac and The Temper Trap." Also, you need to link all three artists/bands.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * In November 2011, it was revealed on Tegan and Sara's official website that they were writing new material for their seventh studio album, with Tegan saying that "[we] are back in our home studios working away at more songs. Write Tegan's last name, Tegan Quinn.
 * Last name added edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The album was titled Heartthrob and recorded between February and May 2012. "I'm Not Your Hero" was written and performed by Tegan and Sara Quin. While it seems obvious, you should mention that "I'm Not Your Hero" was written for Heartthrob, because as it stands now, it talks about the album and the song as if they're unrelated.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ...while The A.V. Club's Annie Zaleski noted it to be in the style of British-American rock band Fleetwood Mac. Italicize The A.V. Club
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The song is from their seventh studio album, Heartthrob, which came out on January 29, 2013. This information is already mentioned in the opening paragraph of Production and composition.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * A Punknews.org staff member wrote the song "blows out its chorus rather impressively from the verses with some neat, alternated instrumentation." Why not just simply say "Bryne Yancey of Punknews.org..."
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "I'm Not Your Hero"'s first chart appearance was at number 157 on the French SNEP singles chart, upon the release of Heartthrob. It didn't reach 157 until almost a month after the album release, so don't say upon the release. Simply say when it reached the position, like you do with the Canadian charts.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This section feels very listy. Almost every mention of a new performance says "They performed" or "they have performed". You might want to reword the section.
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothing to report on here

Charts References
 * Ref 22 and 34 say the exact same thing
 * FIxed edtiorEهեইдအ😎 06:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Refs 12 and 31 are dead, though there appears to be archived versions (I can't confirm, archive.org has been acting up lately on my laptop).
 * No worries, they're working on properly-ran computer systems. edtiorEهեইдအ😎 08:52, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * In Ref 16, the reviewer doesn't specifically say that "I'm Not Your Hero" has refreshingly insightful lyrics, just that the album does, with the next sentence starting with I'm Not Your Hero.
 * Removed edtiorEهեইдအ😎 08:52, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ref 17 is missing the last name
 * There's just one problem with that. The link didn't list a "Last name", it just credits the writer as "Bryne". edtiorEهեইдအ😎 06:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Refs 21 through 26 need
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 06:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * To keep in line with the other refs, Ref 28 needs an archiveurl

External links That's all I could see, fix the issues and you've got yourself a support. Nice article all around. Famous Hobo (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Why isn't put in like how it appears on "Closer"
 * ✅ edtiorEهեইдအ😎 04:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright, looks like everything has been taken care of (or at least what I could see. If there is still some things you still have to do, then disregard this message until it's completed). I made a small edit to the article, adding in the last name to the Punknews.org ref. Anyway, I can now give this a Support. Also, I'm not sure if this counts as a source review, but I went through all the refs (except for ref 3), and they're all faithful to the source. BTW, just gonna remind you of the little offer I threw out. Sorry to keep pressing, don't feel that your obligated to do it . Famous Hobo (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - The prose is not up to FA standard. There are fused participles "with critics praising", "with Tegan saying", redundancy, "where it is listed as the fourth track" and clunky prose throughout. It needs a radical copy-edit. Graham Beards (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * PS. I suggest the nominator reads this. Graham Beards (talk) 23:53, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Coordinator note: After more than two months, consensus to promote has not developed. Therefore, I will be archiving the nomination. -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC) -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:27, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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