Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Introduction to virus


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The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:52, 12 July 2008.

Introduction to virus

 * Nominator(s): Graham Colm Talk

I'm nominating this article for featured article because viruses are important and despite their tiny size, very complex. Because of their complexity, the main article, Virus, can be difficult to understand in parts, especially by those readers with little knowledge of biology. This Good Article has had two especially helpful peer reviews and I think it is ready to be considered for FA. My long-term project is to improve the coverage of virology on Wikipedia and I want this article to be a useful, general introduction not just to Virus, but to other articles in which viruses are discussed. I thank all my fellow editors whose names can be found in the article's history, but stress that any errors are entirely my own work. Graham Colm Talk 14:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments Support Markus Poessel (talk) 01:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments


 * The "Virus glossary" is made up of three nested tables, so it looks like an onion or something. There is probably not much that can be done about it, but I thought I'd mention it :)
 * Gary, this is beyond my abilities. Graham Colm Talk 18:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * clear the last image in the "Antiviral drugs" section as it affects the References section, at least for me
 * Thanks, I only learnt this trick, (from you) last week. I'll do this. Graham Colm Talk 18:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "from a cultured lymphocyte." – remove period
 * Is it not a sentence with a finite verb? I'll check.

Gary, my thanks to you too. Graham Colm Talk 18:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Gary King ( talk ) 17:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Article looks better now. Support. Gary King ( talk ) 23:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Support Comments This is an interesting article and I want to thank the editors for writing it. Lay readers like myself really appreciate the work put into these introductions. Here are my questions:


 * I think the "Virus glossary" was a wonderful idea - very handy.


 * Viruses are about 100 times smaller than bacteria, and it would take 30,000 to 750,000 of them, side by side, to cover 1 centimetre (0.39 in). - This kind of comparative statistic is very evocative for a reader like myself who doesn't deal in measurements on a daily basis.


 * When infected by a virus, a cell is forced to make thousands of identical viruses. - Are they always identical?
 * Yes, ...and no. By appearance they are always indistinguishable, but sometimes there are subtle genetic changes. These changes are important of course, but this is a subtlety that is best glossed over in an introductory article. (I've alluded to this in the "reassortment" sentence). Graham
 * Ok. Awadewit (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They reproduce at an extraordinary rate, but cannot do this alone - I wonder if it is worth repeating "viruses" at this point, just to be clear about the "they".
 * I've done this. Graham Colm Talk 17:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A virus consists of two or three parts: genes composed of either DNA or RNA, a protein coat that protects these genes, and an envelope of fat that surrounds some viruses when they are not within a cell. - So only some viruses have the envelope of fat but all viruses have genes and the protein coat? I wonder if this couldn't be made a little clearer.
 * Yes, this is true and I will try to make it clearer. Graham
 * Added "all have" (genes). Graham Colm Talk 17:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have tried to make this even clearer. Awadewit (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And, you have, thanks. Graham Colm Talk 21:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Viruses vary in shape from simple twisted and soccer-ball shapes to more complex structures. - Why are "twisted" and "soccer-ball" in italics?
 * Tony put them italics, I think because the links go to more complex terms. Graham
 * Tony knows his MOS, so I will defer to him on that. Awadewit (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "soccer-ball shape" is misleading - I thought that meant "round" or "spherical" until I clicked on it.
 * OK, and this is going to be fun. A soccer ball has icosahedral symmetry where flat parts with six and five sides are stitched together to form a round shape. Virologists love (soccer) footballs. Graham Colm Talk 22:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This may be, but it made no sense to me in the context of the article. I asked several other lay readers what they thought this meant and they all thought "round", too, and would not have clicked. I think "icosahedron" would be better than "soccer-ball". Too many people think they know a soccer ball is spherical. :) Awadewit (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know the Hyperbolic soccerball page existed, that's somewhat random. Although those new balls are getting that odd new layout(Truncated octahedron). -Optigan13 (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is the bad language of virologists like me. I'll change this. Graham
 * Viruses of plants are often spread from plant to plant by insects and other organisms, known as vectors - "viruses of plants" seems like an odd constructions - what about "plant viruses" or "viruses that infect plants"?


 * Some viruses are spread by biting insects - I was momentarily shocked by this sentence because I knew that viruses didn't bite insects! I think this could be worded better - "insects that bite [insert what they bite]" perhaps?
 * Oh yes, stupid me, insects that bite! (the bastards), I'll fix this. Graham
 * Oooh - "blood-sucking" - wonderful. Awadewit (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Whereas viruses such as influenza are spread through the air by coughing and sneezing - "by the coughing and sneezing of their hosts" perhaps?
 * Yes, viruses don't cough and sneeze, stupid me again. I'll fix this. Graham


 * others such as norovirus and rotavirus contaminate food or water - Is "contaminate" a human POV? :) Don't they just "live" there?
 * No, contaminate is the best word. Outside cells viruses are not living—they are in a kind of limbo. Graham.


 * they are usually completely eliminated by the immune system, conferring lifetime immunity to that virus - The immunity clause is worded a bit oddly, I think - what about "conferring lifetime immunity to the host for that virus" or something like that?
 * Some thought required by me here. Graham


 * The origin of viruses is unclear because they do not form fossils - I thought that a lot of evolutionary work was being done using DNA now. Would this still preclude identifying the origins of DNA-based viruses? (I am sure I have misunderstood something. My exposure to this topic is limited to Richard Dawkins, after all!)
 * Oh I dreaded this one. I deliberately avoided molecular phylogeny in this article because to date the technique can only "go back" a few decades, not the millions of years that viruses have been (we guess) around.
 * It might be worth mentioning the limitations of the technique, since the major popular books on evolution mention it. (Even I, who study literature, wondered about it!) Awadewit (talk) 16:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do this. Graham.
 * Done. Graham Colm Talk 18:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Over time, genes not required by their parasitic lifestyle would have been lost - This just sounds too funny! Seriously, though, I wasn't sure what the "their" was referring to.
 * Yes, this is odd, I must have been smoking something. I'll get back to you on this. Graham
 * Changed. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Still reads the same here. (Someone also just pointed out to me that is odd to speak of viruses as having a lifestyle.) Awadewit (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't I delete "lifestyle"? I thought I changed this earlier today. ??? Graham Colm Talk 20:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Graham Colm Talk 20:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is under "regressive theory". Awadewit (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's gone. Graham Colm Talk 21:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Viruses may have evolved from complex molecules of protein and DNA at the same time as cells first appeared on earth - It might be a good idea to mention when cells first appeared on earth. I'm thinking "long, long ago".
 * Hey, do we know? Must be millions. I'll see what the latest guessimate is. Graham
 * I've left this at many millions for now. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Viruses may have evolved from complex molecules of protein and DNA at the same time as cells first appeared on earth and have been dependent on cellular life for millions of years. - Should it be "may have been dependent on cellular life"?
 * No, by definition, they have to be dependent. Graham
 * Have inserted "would", then. Awadewit (talk) 16:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Better. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In the late 19th century French microbiologist Charles Chamberland invented a filter with holes small enough to remove bacteria - This is a confusing beginning to the "Discovery" section - a filter for what? It seems a bit in medias res. Perhaps some more background?
 * Yes, more background required. Graham
 * A little more background added, but Chamberland was a bacteriologist, he invented his filter to sterilize liquids. It was the later use this filter was put to which is important in the history of virology. Graham Colm Talk 18:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think a more general background would be helpful. Fill the reader in on the state of research into this area. It just seems too specific a place to start. What about some of the information from History of biology? Awadewit (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, this is a good place to start. Awadewit, I know you, and I know you love your history, but this article is meant to be an introduction to viruses. I don't want to have to go in to germ theory, Robert Koch, Louis Pasteur, here. Graham Colm Talk 21:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We obviously don't need all of that material, but some general background would help the reader. This is not a big deal, though. Awadewit (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * French-Canadian microbiologist Felix d'Herelle described viruses that caused areas of death on bacteria growing on agar - "areas of death"? The diction sounds a bit off to me.
 * Have I not fixed this?
 * Must have been fixed in long time it took me to read the article, then. :) (It sounded so Monty Python.) Awadewit (talk) 16:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Counting these dead areas allowed him to calculate the number of viruses in the suspension - To me, this sounds like one virus=one dead area, but that can't be right.
 * Yes it is, given the restrictions of the poisson distribution.
 * Here's how it's done. You dilute the suspension precisely, say 1:1000, put a measured amount of this diluted suspension on the lawn of bacteria. Later count the dead areas, multiply this number by 1000 and you get the number of viruses in the measured amount. Graham Graham Colm Talk 13:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I love learning! (Is it really called a "lawn of bacteria"?) Awadewit (talk) 16:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. Yes, and the ability to count the invisible threw the doors wide to scientific enquiry. Graham Colm Talk 21:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * With the invention of electron microscopy came the first images of viruses - Add a date for the invention?
 * Can do.
 * Done. Graham Colm Talk 17:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A problem for early scientists was their inability to grow viruses without using live animals - This sentence is missing the "because" half - why did they need live animals? Why couldn't they grow viruses in the lab?
 * Because viruses only grow in living hosts. Lab techniques were a later development. Graham
 * Could we add that in? Awadewit (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done that. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Most viruses are sub-microscopic and their sizes range from 20 to 300 nm. They are so small that it would take 30,000 to 750,000 of them, side by side, to cover one centimetre - Why is nanometre abbreviated and centimetre spelled out? Is this some obscure MOS rule I don't know?
 * I'll check.


 * The DNA or RNA of viruses consists of either a single strand or a double helix. - Can there be a single strand of DNA or is DNA always a double helix? I was under the impression that DNA was a double helix, but perhaps not in viruses?
 * No, DNA can be single-stranded. Yours isn't, neither is mine, but these viruses......
 * That is fascinating! I must read more. Awadewit (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Most viruses produce a protein that is an enzyme called a polymerase - A bit stilted
 * Caught me out! I was avoiding a discourse on DNA and RNA polymerases. I'll take another look at this. Graham


 * These enzymes are often much more efficient than their counterparts produced by the host cell - Much more efficient at what exactly?
 * Making DNA and RNA.


 * Each type of protein is a specialist that only does one job - How about "only performs one function"? Sounds less colloquial.
 * Yes, I stole this line from Introduction to genetics, I'll change this.


 * Each type of protein is a specialist that only does one job, so if a cell needs to do something new, it must make a new protein to do this job. This is called protein synthesis. - Can the cell make any proteins not encoded in its genes? How "new" can we go?
 * Yes and no, a cell can only make proteins encoded in its genes unless a bloody virus gets inside.
 * What do you think about trying to make this clearer? Is it worth it? Awadewit (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've simplified this and hope it's clearer. Graham Colm Talk 17:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There are two images illustrating viruses small size, one in relation to other teeny-tiny things and one in relation to a cell. As the images seem a bit crowded to me, I suggest keeping only the cell. The other chart requires more knowledge, I think.
 * Yes, I'll dump the chart. Graham


 * When a virus infects a cell, it forces the cell to make more viruses by synthesis of new viral nucleic acid and proteins, which combine to form complete new virus particles - Should this be "completely new virus particles" or just "new virus particles"?
 * No, not completely new, quite the opposite, identical, (more-or-less).


 * The ability of viruses to cause disease is called virulence and the mechanism is called pathogenesis. - Can we add a bit more substance to this sentence or integrate the terms into the surrounding sentences?
 * I'll try.
 * Can I be the writing instructor that I am in real life and ask you to try harder? :) Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a sentence. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should update that photograph of me on my user page? I'm 56 now. :) Graham Colm Talk 21:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was just playing around. Awadewit (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, never stop. If this can't be fun, we should stick to writing books. Graham Colm Talk 21:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly! And yet, somehow, books count for tenure, not featured articles. I wonder why that is. Awadewit (talk) 21:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Therefore it is not economically viable to try to control them, the exception being when they infect perennial species, such as fruit trees - Can we get rid of the "being"? Ew.
 * Yes.
 * You have removed the information about perennial species, though! We just needed to reword! Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Repaired and expaned this section. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The skin, particularly its surface, which is made from dead cells, prevents many types of viruses from infecting the host.  - Is this human specific, mammal specific, what?
 * Animal, I'll fix this. Graham


 * Some blood cells eat and destroy other virus infected cells. - Is this easter-egg link acceptable for accessibility?
 * I don't know, what do you think? Graham
 * I clicked because I thought "why are they linking eat?" but I am a rather curious sort of reader. I would go with "eat (phagocytosis)" or something like that. Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed this to "engulf" it's better I think. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Why are "Host resistance" and "Prevention and treatment of viral disease in humans and other animals" not subsections of "Viruses and disease"?
 * They could be, I'll have a look. Graham
 * I did this earlier. Graham Colm Talk 17:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Prevention and treatment" is still its own section, but it seems to be a part of the discussion of "Viruses and disease" to me. Awadewit (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Awadewit, Could you just fix this for me? I've been working on the article for 12 hours today. Graham Colm Talk 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone changed this. Awadewit (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Antiviral drugs are often nucleoside analogues, (fake DNA building-blocks), which are incorporated into the viral DNA during replication - I'm not sure what "fake DNA building blocks" means.
 * analogues (chemistry)
 * Perhaps this should be explained somehow? Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed "fake" to "chemically altered". Graham Colm Talk 17:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * More precise, I think. Awadewit (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do we need a subsection dealing with the issue of whether or not viruses are alive? Awadewit (talk) 20:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Viruses have genes, they reproduce, they mutate, they adapt, they have sex, they evolve by natural selection, they spread across the planet, they grow in cells in our laboratories, they are, more often than not, a bloody nuisance to other living things; I don't think this philosophical debate is needed in an introductory article. Graham. Graham Colm Talk 20:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought this was a debate. I'm reading The Way of the Cell, which explains different theories of life, some of which include viruses and some which don't. I'm confused now. Is this book crap? Am I being misled? Awadewit (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The virus article has a section on the "Lifeform debate" which begins "Viruses have been described as "organisms at the edge of life",[53] but argument continues over whether viruses are truly alive." - Is this inaccurate? Awadewit (talk) 21:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote that. It's best left in the main article I think. Awadewit, you have moved on, this introduction is no longer needed by you :) Graham Colm Talk 21:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. I will return to the main article, when I have finished this one. Graham Colm Talk 21:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would be curious what others more knowledgeable in this area think should be done about this. The concepts are easy enough to understand, so I think an "introduction" version could be written. Awadewit (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope this was helpful. Awadewit (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Awadewit, this has been fun and very useful. Thank you so much for these questions and your edits. I will address all of your points in the article in the morning. It's getting late in the UK. Best wishes, Graham. Graham Colm Talk 22:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This sort of thing is always fun for me. I learn a lot and (sometimes) help improve an article. Thanks again for writing this. Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Last comment from me for today. Question, any chance of a support? or I am I flogging a dead donkey? Graham Colm Talk 21:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I already changed to support. :) Awadewit (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments


 * First impression:
 * 1) Is an "intro" article--which is supposed to be the function of a lead--something that we want to consider eligible to be FA?


 * 2) I do appreciate the existence of this article, given the technical depth of the virus article.


 * On quick inspection, the article serves as a solid introduction to the topic, and the language is mostly OK.


 * The absence of a "see also" section is a little odd, given that this is an article whose existence is predicated on it being a guide to more in-depth articles.
 * Many of the other virus articles are in a poor state, (apart from Rotavirus of course). How about if I See Also the ones that I have at least managed to draw the life-cycle diagrams? Graham Colm Talk 08:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be acceptable. Lwnf360 (talk) 10:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm on the fence until there is comment and consensus on the eligibility factor. Lwnf360 (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We already have at least two "introduction" articles that are FA - introduction to evolution and introduction to general relativity. These articles serve a necessary function that you outline well - the main article can be too technical for some readers. In my opinion, this longer, less technical article is better than a four-paragraph lead. We are better serving the needs of all of our readers this way. Awadewit (talk) 00:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Update I think I have addressed all the above comments. Graham Colm Talk 18:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Support -article looks great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibeberish (talk • contribs) 19:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gibeberish has only made 2 other edits. Clíodhna (talk 22:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, and I also know that Sandy will take this into account when she judges whether or not a  consensus has been achieved, there was a time, not that very long ago, (only last year), when I had only made two edits :) Graham. Graham Colm Talk 22:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Current ref 12 "Ernst Ruska Nobel Prize Autobiogrpahy" is lacking publisher, author and last access date.
 * Current ref 11, I"m assuming this is a journal article? What is the title of the journal, I can't tell because it's not in italics like the other journal entries
 * I took the liberty of alphabetizing your bibliography. Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ealdgyth, and I have fixed the two references. Graham Colm Talk 14:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments For some reason the two external links do not work for me, going to "Page not found" and "Page cannot be displayed-System Error" error messages. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 15:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Support—I'll continue to sift through it for prose polishing, but I really think this is an excellent article. Check BrEng spelling? I see "colored", too, as well as "filter". And I think "three main theories of ...". Superb pics! TONY   (talk)  15:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have found a problem in the article, which states in the lead: "is a microorganism". Looking at virus and microorganism, which both clearly state that viruses are not microorganisms, it becomes obvious that this article has some conflict with other articles. This is not a big issues, but it would be best if someone expert on the topic take a look at it.--haha169 (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied to this on the article's discussion page. Graham Colm Talk 16:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - just a few comments
 * The first paragraph seems to repeat itself at least once.
 * Is this were I emphasise their reproducing inside cells? Can I keep this in, it's important? Graham Colm Talk 17:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's just to emphasize the idea, I suppose it could be kept. Nousernamesleft (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Nousernamesleft (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "A virus consists of two or three parts: all have genes made from either DNA or RNA, long molecules that carry the genetic information; all have a protein coat that protects these genes, and some have an envelope of fat that surrounds them when they are not within a cell." - shouldn't the final comma be a semi-colon?
 * "...to cover 1 centimetre (0.39 in)." - I don't think "cover" is the right word here - that suggests area. How about "stretch" instead?
 * "...that had pores that were smaller than bacteria."
 * "At the same time, several other scientists proved that, although these agents (later called viruses) were different from bacteria," - first comma seems unnecessary.
 * "The term virus was first used by the Dutch microbiologist Martinus Beijerinck who used the words "contagium vivum fluidum" to mean "soluble living germ"." - a comma after the name of the scientist, maybe(?)
 * Thanks for these good ideas, I have edited the article accordingly. Graham Colm Talk 17:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Support -- I've changed to support, since no one has objected to my eligibility question. Lwnf360 (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Support - I have been following this article through FAC and have read through it many times. For me it is an excellent and very clearly written introduction to a topic I knew little about. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 17:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems like the virus glossary needs editing. Under "Gene" there is a run-on sentence. &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 20:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help with the prose. I've changed the template, thanks for spotting this. Graham Colm Talk 20:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Should not "Vaccines" and "Antiviral drugs" be at the same heading level, under "Prevention and treatment of viral disease in humans and other animals"? &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 21:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Matt, see Awadewit's comments above somewhere (on Sunday - seems like a year ago!). Graham Graham Colm Talk 22:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to this comment: Prevention and treatment" is still its own section, but it seems to be a part of the discussion of "Viruses and disease" to me. Awadewit (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)?


 * "Prevention and treatment" is under "Viruses and deseases". My issue is different. I am suggesting that "Vaccines" and "Antiviral drugs" are both "Prevention and treatment of viral disease in humans and other animals" and therefore both should be under that heading. Perhaps I am over picky or I misunderstand. Don't let me drive you nuts.&mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 19:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Mattisse, sorry, you were right and I've fixed this. Thanks. Graham Colm Talk 19:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments - A few possible wikilinks, although I'm not sure if they add enough to not be overlinking:
 * Structure#Size, light microscopy -> Microscopy#Optical microscopy techniques (It's a little odd since sub-microscopic is already linking into Optical microscopy, so I'm not sure here);
 * Structure#Genes ¶1, DNA and RNA (they're wikilinked several times in the article already, but it's an important concept for that section)
 * Structure#Protein synthesis ¶3, Sense (molecular biology) (Either positive-sense RNA viruses or positive-sense or both, not sure)
 * Viruses and diseases ¶1, Populations and carriers -> Populations and Genetic carriers (important epi concepts, although they're covered in the endemic article too);
 * Viruses and diseases ¶2, Host (biology) (Same as population, although it is somewhat covered by host range in the glossary),
 * Viruses and diseases#Plant resistance, resistance (R) gene -> Gene-for-gene relationship (not sure on this one)
 * Viruses and diseases#Antiviral drugs, AIDS epidemic -> AIDS pandemic(although piped with epidemic instead of pandemic still).

The only other issue is could you please add an Information tag to the images and move them to commons(Magnus' commonshelper). They still satisfy criteria 3 for me, and I could move them, but as Graham is the artist on most of them I'd prefer he do it so he clearly gets credit for them. I'd support but I'm not quite comfortable with my grasp of the MOS and the general qualities needed for an FA. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I plan to move the images, and the ones on my user page, to commons. I'll move the ones in this article when its FAC closes. Graham Colm Talk 17:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Has improved since I looked over it for GA. I wonder if it is not too late, however, to mention the research being put into viruses for use as medicine, such as JX-594. I think that might be of interest to the target audience of this article.  bibliomaniac 1  5  17:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support. Oncolytic poxviruses, (such as JX), are very new and only discussed in primary sources. All I could add on this would come across as speculative at the moment. Graham Colm Talk 17:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment - This is a very little complaint but it has bothered me for some time. In the sentence, "A virus consists of two or three parts: all have genes made from either DNA or RN....", do you think it should be "Viruses consist of..." in order to fit with the plural after the colon? Or, alternatively, "A virus consists of two or three parts: all viruses have genes made from either DNA or RNA..."? Each time I read it I wonder briefly if "all" refers to a virus or to parts. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 20:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Matt, we just need to put "viruses" between the "all" and the "have". Graham. Graham Colm Talk 20:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.