Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jim Umbricht/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC).

Jim Umbricht

 * Nominator(s): Secret account 04:05, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Been working on this article for the past year or so, probably the most comprehensive on the net. Reviewed by several top sports contributors. Tragic sports figure. Fixed all the problems from the previous FAC, which I fell inactive for a few weeks, and the peer review pretty much. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks Secret account 04:05, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Make sure all refs are in numerical order. For instance, [2][1] should be [1][2]  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 04:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed Secret account 04:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments from Crisco 1492
 * relievers. - Quoi? Relief pitcher, right? How common is this term in non-jargony contexts?
 * He was the only player from that squad ever to appear in a Major League Baseball game. - how many people in a squad?
 * 53–70 record - perhaps link win–loss record?
 * Why did he leave basketball?
 * charged with the loss. - blamed for the loss, you mean? A little subject specific
 * More later... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * arsenal - non-encyclopedic
 * By that time, Umbricht's cancer had started to spread throughout his body and he needed to be sedated at times because of the pain. - Should a link to relapse be somewhere around here?
 * Any information about his personal life? Very little to go on here.
 * Overall not bad.

Image review
 * Who holds the copyright on the picture of the baseball in File:AstrosRet 32.PNG?
 * Is there a larger resolution copy of the back of File:JimUmbricht.JPG? I can't read it to check for a copyright notice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Fixed what Secret didn't get to. A few comments on the comments. Charged with is more proper since it implies he was given credit for the pitching decision; blamed for makes it sound like media or fans said he lost instead. Found nothing on leaving basketball, my guess is when he joined the minor league team he decided to just continue on that route. As for the baseball image, since they (the retired number pics) were all created by the same guy I would be shocked if there was an issue. I'd ask him but he hasn't edited in a year. As for personal life, I'll do some digging yet. Wizardman  00:05, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright. That looks like most everything except personal life has been taken care of. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I had some information on his personal life that was inside the body of the text. He was known as a "cleancut" "bachelor" but I had to remove it per the last FAC as not relevant, should I readd it? Secret account 17:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If he never married, that would be pertinent for the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments: This looks better than last time it was here, but there are still quite a few prose problems that we shouldn't be seeing by the time we get to FAC. I've read about half-way down, and assuming that the nominator replies to Crisco and to my comments here, I will add more later. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ”He pitched the entire 1963 season as a reliever”: I’m still not happy with “pitched the entire season”. It looks like there is a preposition missing, unless we are just using sports-speak, which I would not be happy with at FA.
 * ”the future home of the Colt .45s. The Colt .45s retired Umbricht's jersey number”: We have “The Colt .45s” used next to each other at the end of one sentence and the start of the next.
 * ”He was the only player from that squad ever to appear in a Major League Baseball game.”: Is this surprising? I’d imagine it was quite common at that level of baseball.
 * The last paragraph of Early career is a little stats-heavy, which makes it quite hard going compared to the rest of the section.
 * ”gave up two earned runs in the ninth inning for the blown save and the loss”: This gets jargony. I’d imagine many readers, including this one, get a bit lost through this. Links would be a minimum, but a little more explanation within the sentence would be preferable.
 * ”t the beginning of spring training, Umbricht competed against fellow rookies Bennie Daniels and Joe Gibbon for a place.[10] The Pirates began strongly in spring training”: Close repetition of “spring training”
 * ”Manager Danny Murtaugh was impressed with Umbricht's pitching and expected him to become the Pirates' fourth starter by opening day. He won the spot and in his first start of the season…”: Unless I’m missing something, this says “his manager thought he’d start. He started.” I think we could lose the “and expected him to…” part of this without losing the meaning.
 * ”Umbricht had terrible control” A bit harsh, and slipping into a POV editorial voice.
 * ”Umbricht was soon demoted to the bullpen”: I think at least a link is needed for bullpen.
 * In the paragraph beginning “Two spots in the starting rotation were available…” we really start to overuse “Umbricht”. Some of these need switching for “he” or rephrasing. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A note that I'll address these tonight. Sorry for the delay. Wizardman  00:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I made a few of the fixes, but I won't have time to finish addressing them. Since Secret seems to have moved on to other things this should probably be closed. Wizardman  15:51, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I will take over the FAC again, considering that my WikiBreak failed miserably. Secret account 17:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Secret. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Closing comment -- This nom seems to have stalled without any kind of consensus developing so I'll be archiving it shortly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 13:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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