Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jules Massenet/archive1


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The article was promoted by Ian Rose (talk) 00:30, 23 August 2014.

Jules Massenet

 * Nominator(s): Cg2p0B0u8m and  Tim riley  talk    21:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Not the least of the 1840s generation of composers (Dvořák, Fauré, Rimsky-Korsakov, Sullivan, Tchaikovsky et al) was Massenet, who came to embody French opera of the Belle Époque. After his death in 1912 his music went out of fashion, although his most popular opera, Manon, held its place in the repertoire. In recent decades there has been a revival of interest in his music and many of his neglected operas are being staged. He left some delighful but highly unreliable memoirs; we hope the present article is more reliable. Many Wiki-colleagues contributed to the recent overhaul, and the peer review had an all-star cast. We look forward to suggestions, and, we hope, support.  Tim riley  talk    21:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I had words at the PR, and also supplied a couple of articles for the research. The article is well-written, comprehensive without wordiness. Well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support on prose. I gave my comments at the wonderfully thorough PR, and the article has only improved since. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Support: An excellent composer biography, to which I gave the full review treatment at PR, and was rewarded by the adoption of almost all my points and quibbles. The article is pleasant and informative, and in my view deserves a specially gilded star for including an image of the utterly delightful and swooning beautiful Renée Fleming (she's 55! I can't believe it). That really made my evening. Brianboulton (talk) 23:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The support of Wehwalt, Crisco and Brian is greatly appreciated – thanks to all three.  Tim riley  talk    08:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Support. Very nicely put together and hugely interesting. One small point, in the "Later years" section, which reads "main biographical detail of note of his latter years": should that be latter years or later years? - SchroCat (talk) 11:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly, SchroCat! We must work together on an article sometime. I wrote "latter" deliberately, but am quite willing to be told that "later" would be better. Very happy either way. If you prefer the latter (later) to the former (latter), pray amend forthwith. Excuse me, I think I need to go and lie down.  Tim riley  talk    14:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Support: I read the article at PR, since when there have been a few changes. Altogether it is excellently written, most sympathetic and informative. Just one small niggle: in the "Recordings" section, there's two consecutive sentences which start "It was...". I think it may be better to start the second of these ("It was released on compact disc in 2008,") with "It has been released on compact disc...", which would also have the advantage, I think, of immediately alerting readers that we're no longer talking of events during Massenet's life. Alfietucker (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you for the support and for the unwinking professional eye on the prose. Your suggested tweak shall be twuck as soon as I have signed this...  Tim riley  talk    20:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Tweacation now accomplished.   Tim riley  talk    20:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Very nice article, certainly has my support (although I am not myself a great Massenetien). Couple of v. minor points on a first read: why not links for 'Pardon de Ploermel' and Meyerbeer in M's first published work? Also, first sentence of Later Years (and elsewhere), perhaps capital c for Conservatoire, as we are talking of a particular one?--Smerus (talk) 11:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that support, Smerus. I've amended as you suggest.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Media check (GermanJoe) - all OK
 * all images and sound files are either some kind of PD-old or released by their author - OK.
 * authors (if known) and sources are provided for all files - OK.
 * some files are only suitable for en-Wikipedia, but tagged as such - OK. GermanJoe (talk) 00:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that check, GJ. Always a relief to get a clean sheet.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Support: Excellent article, well written, well sourced. Carefully balanced in coverage. Gives a clear overview of the life and achievements of the composer.--Ipigott (talk) 06:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support gratefully acknowledged, with many thanks.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Source review
 * I would think refs 21, 36, 39, 41, 55 and 56 need accessdate parameters.
 * The MoS lays down that for web-only sources the retrieval date should be included when there is no publication date, and so when a publication date is given it is never my practice to include access dates as well.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Understand, cheers for clarifying. Lemonade51 (talk) 13:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ref 55 should notify readers that the source is written in French
 * Done.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ref 57's page number is C17 (article was printed in the Observer Review supplement) Lemonade51 (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Pleased you spotted that omission (and thank you for finding the page number for me). Now amended.
 * Thank you very much for that review, Lemonade. I hope my explanation of my logic as regards the first point is acceptable.  Tim riley  talk    09:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 00:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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