Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Juventus F.C./archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 17:53, 25 September 2008.

Juventus F.C.

 * Nominator(s): Hadrianos1990 (talk)

I'm nominating this article for featured article because I think it meets the FA criteria. Hadrianos1990 (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Excellent work! Hadrianos1990 (talk) 13:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You have two noms running; would you like to withdraw this nom or Real Madrid? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I'll withdraw this one since a significant contributor wasn't consulted, and has now entered an Oppose. Please review WP:FAC instructions next time, thanks.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick note than a IP address appears to have put this on the main FAC page. Also, according to this you have only made 3 contributions to the article in question. You should nominate the main contributers. According to the tool appears to have contributed most, but he is banned, so I think  and  should be told about this FAC. Also, nominator !votes don't count to the overall support. D.M.N. (talk) 13:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As DMN noted, nominators' votes do not count. --Angelo (talk) 15:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * criteria 3 comments - Image:Juventus old badge.png doesnt appear to meet, WP:NFCC#8. Image:Juventus old badge.png doesnt appear to meet, WP:NFCC#1, as it can be described in GFDL text with reference to Image:Juventus-FC.png Fasach Nua (talk) 14:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:RS - more reliable sources must be taken in place of things like "Planet World Cup", "FootballDerbies.com", "MyJuve.it" and "Juventuz.com" (sic). There's a lack of source in some part of the "Stadia" section, as well as a whole paragraph under "Colors, badge and nicknames". There's also some WP:RECENTISM in it, in the historical section (that should be expected to be the core of the article), a section covers a range of sixty year (from the 1920s to the early 1980s), and then you have three sections, each covering a single decade (1980s, 1990s, and 2000s). And I've never heard of a "Ciclo Leggendario" (and that part is unsourced as well). Definitely a Good Article, not a Featured Article yet. --Angelo (talk) 15:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I appreciate the amount of work that as gone into producing this article, and the comprehensive nature of the data provided. However, there are significant issues with the prose. The following relate to the lead section.


 * There are italicised references to the Old Lady and to the bienconeri. Presumably these are club nicknames, but this need to be explained.
 * "...first Italian and Southern European side..." Presumably "Southern European" includes Italian?
 * "to have won the UEFA cup" should be "to win the UEFA cup"
 * The link on UEFA is to a specific tournament, without explanation of what UEFA is, or what the cup itself is (or was). Nor can I see this explanation later in the article. The lead should say what these initials stand for, since many of your potential readers won't have a clue.
 * The sentence beginning "In 1985, Juventus..." is awkward and unwieldy. For example, if they have won "all" official international cups and championships, it isn’t necessary to add the parenthetical bit about European competitions.
 * I’ve never met the word tifosi before. I suspect I’m not alone in that. Why use a sports-jargon term, even though linked, when the word "fan" has the same meaning? (this is, after all, the English wikipedia)
 * A general point: I don’t think this lead conforms with WP:Lead in terms of being a summary of the whole article, rather than an  introduction.

On the basis of further reading I believe that there are lots more problems with the article's prose to be sorted out. I’ll try and get back to you on these. Brianboulton (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose For:
 * 1.History based in the European Cup (only one competition for "explain" a club's history? And the others tournaments?).
 * 2. Recentism in the History article (one paragraph for explain the first 50 years and other ONLY for farsopoli?)...
 * 3.Not exist a List of Juventus F.C. managers (or "coaches") article, an introduction for the players, managers/coachs and club's presidents (see article in it-wiki).


 * IMHO, You should translate the Juventus article from it-wiki, (good article). --Dantetheperuvian (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Angelo, The "Ciclo Leggendario" (Legendary Cycle) is the "official" name from the period in Juventus history between 1971 and 1986, a very successful period in the club with Agnelli-Boniperti-Trapattoni, contemporary with the successful Bearzot's era with Italian national team. The period have also a great value in the Italy's social culture during 1970's, according to the book "In bianco e nero" from Mario and Andrea Parodi (Mario Parodi, Andrea Parodi. In bianco e nero: una grande Juve negli anni del piombo. ED Bradipolibri, 2003). Another Juventus period is the "Quinquennio d'oro" (Golden Quinquennium), the period since 1931 to 1935 with the 5 national leagues in a row (see article in it-wiki). --Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "South European" respect for all club from the Southern Europe (Spain, Portugal, Greece...). Since its first edition in 1971 to 1976 the UEFA Cup winners were from Northern Europe (England, Germany...). See UEFA.com for the sentence.
 * The club has won all international competition for clubs (all avaliable in Europe and the Intercontintental-World Club Cup). "European competitions" (see List of UEFA club competition winners) not includes ICCC or "World title". --Dantetheperuvian (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
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