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Kaiser Friedrich III-class battleship

 * Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Yet another article on a class of German battleships (though we're nearing the end!), these were interesting vessels that adopted the "hail of fire" principle that a few navies experimented with during the brief period between the introduction of quick-firing guns and the adaptation of said technology to large-caliber guns - as readers with a keen sense of foreshadowing will deduce, these ships rapidly became second-class vessels once foreign battleships with larger guns that could fire just as fast began to enter service (which was compounded when the first dreadnought battleships began to be built, less than a decade after these ships were completed). Like the other outdated battleships of the German fleet, they saw limited activity during World War I, and were quickly deactivated in 1915. The article passed a MILHIST A-class review this past July, and I think it's at or close to FA standards. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by PM
I reviewed this at Milhist ACR, so have only a few things to quibble about here: More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC) That's the lot I could find. Nice job. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:20, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * in the lead, suggest "The Kaiser Friedrich III-class consisted of five pre-dreadnought battleships of the German Kaiserliche Marine (Imperial Navy); all ships of the class were named for German emperors."
 * Done
 * in the lead, why "SMS Kaiser Wilhelm II" but not SMS for the rest? Or none?
 * Forgot to pipe it ;)
 * "The Kaiser Friedrich III class saw"
 * Done
 * in the lead, suggest "for rapidity of fire over weight of shell"→"for higher volumes of fire over weight of shell"
 * Works for me
 * in the lead, suggest "Thereafter they were" rather than "They thereafter were" to put the adverb ahead of the pronoun
 * Done
 * "which were was finally approved in March 1894"
 * Fixed
 * "allowed a significant saving s "
 * Good catch
 * "like those on the British Majestic-class battleship"
 * Done
 * "have necessitated a halving of the main battery"
 * Good idea
 * suggest adding o/a to the infobox
 * Done
 * should "fore mast" be "foremast"? There is another example of this
 * Yup
 * "excellent sea-keeping vessels"?
 * Reworded
 * there is a bit of repetition regarding the boilers of Kaiser Friedrich III
 * Trimmed the second time that's mentioned
 * "four Marine and six cylindrical boilers" fire-tube? This recurs.
 * Clarified these
 * instead of PS in the body, perhaps use "metric horsepower", as PS isn't a well known initialisation
 * De-abbreviated them
 * were the 8.8 cm guns for torpedo boats defence?
 * Indeed
 * Thanks Peacemaker. Parsecboy (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments Support by CPA-5
That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 08:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * of five pre-dreadnought battleships of the German Pipe German to the German Empire.
 * Done
 * Kaiserliche Marine (Imperial Navy); all ships of the class were named for German emperors.. Double dot here.
 * Fixed
 * for higher volumes of fire over weight of shell Merge "over weight".
 * "Over" in this context means "instead"
 * by the Japanese cruisers' victory over a heavier-armed Chinese fleet at the Pipe both Japanese and Chinese to the Empire of Japan and the Qing dynasty.
 * Done
 * and four 240 kW 74 V generators in the other three ships Volts is here an adjective? Why isn't it full written like the sentence before?
 * Fixed
 * Thanks CPA. Parsecboy (talk) 20:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * - anything left to address? Parsecboy (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was a little bit busy with the drive. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Image review


 * Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Source review

 * Put an asterisk in the template for Koop & Schmolke
 * You mean an ampersand?
 * Yeah, one 'a 'dem--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Spot checks on ISBNs showed no problems
 * Add author links for Ropp and Friedman (optional)
 * Done
 * Citations and references are formatted consistently and correctly.
 * Sources used are from reputable authors and publishers.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 20:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66

 * Link reserve, volt, elevation, casemate, rate of fire,
 * Done
 * intended to raze the superstructure A little bit of hyperbole here
 * Reworded
 * heavier-armed "more heavily armed", I think
 * Good catch
 * Transverse and longitudinal steel frames were used to build the hulls for the Kaiser Friedrich III-class ships. Steel hull plates were riveted to the frame. Rather think that this is too much detail. But do you know if they were Longitudinal framed?
 * Trimmed - no, they predated Isherwood's design
 * Move the bit about hydraulically powered turrets to the sentence that names the turrets and the same sort of thing for the 15cm guns
 * Done
 * Add a plus sign for elevation limits
 * Done
 * hyphen in "coastal defense role"--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 17:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

-- Laser brain  (talk)  11:24, 21 October 2019 (UTC)