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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2017.

Kalākaua coinage

 * Nominator(s): Wehwalt (talk) 09:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC), Maile66 (talk)

This article is about... four of five of Hawaii's official coins, so liked for their beauty they were incorporated into spoons, cuff links and the like, but which caused a monetary crisis when issued to refill Hawaii's treasury. Enjoy.Wehwalt (talk) 09:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 04:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. --Wehwalt (talk) 04:54, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Source review from


 * Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * Otherwise everything looks good. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:06, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Moisejp
I think what I spotted is mostly minor stuff:
 * It's specified in three places that a dime is a ten-cent piece (in the lead, the third paragraph of Preparation, and at the end of Design). The lead and the third one (which also ties in with the Hawaiian phrase) seem worthwhile. It's not a big deal, but is the second one possibly too much?
 * "Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono" is mentioned and wiki-linked twice, but different information is given for each mention ("The Life of the Land is Perpetuated in Righteousness" and "words spoken by Kamehameha following a time of distress"). The description for the second occurrence feels kind of like it's giving new information without acknowledging the reader has already been presented the term in a different context.
 * Again, minor but: "The dollar, half dollar and quarter dollar bear the royal arms, set forth most elaborately on the dollar". In editing you and I went back and forth a bit with this sentence, and now I understand what you mean. But the first time I read it, I interpreted "most" in its less common usage meaning "very"—that's why I initially thought it was a peacocky usage. How about if you used "the most", then there is definitely no confusion. But if you disagree, I won't insist.
 * The Mintages table has a Net Distribution of $176,165.70. That doesn't quite match the $185,000 mentioned in the main text. I see these are from different sources, but would it be worthwhile to explicitly say that different sources do not agree on the exact figure? (Or is my understanding wrong, and those numbers aren't talking about the same thing?)
 * I went back and took a look at the source, Part II of Adler's article, and he cites that to the Report of the Governor of Hawaii in 1907, which is online here. It looks to me like coins were still coming in, though the exchange period had ended. So I don't think Adler had the final figures, and I'll delete his number figure. Nice catch.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I think I might have had one or two other small comments or copy-edits to make. I'll have to read through the article again to remember. Anyway, this is all for now. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 06:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, it looks like the images need alt text. Moisejp (talk) 06:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I've done those things.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:17, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "Marvin suggested a more appropriate choice as national mantle than the fur would be the famous feather cloak worn by Kamehameha the Great." Should this be "would have been"? He reported on the coins in 1883 after they were already complete? Moisejp (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Rephrased to avoid the issue.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

My concerns are all addressed and now support. Moisejp (talk) 06:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your thorough review.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from KAVEBEAR
This is going to be sporadic comments as read the article for the first time:
 * Can you link Hawaiian dollar and Coins of the Hawaiian dollar either in the text or as a main article template in Background?
 * Why not mention the use of nails as currency during the early barter economy period at post-contact?
 * Medcalf mentions that more as a trade item without a set rate of exchange. Is there some online source you can recommend on this?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not sure. I just remember that nails were an important trade currency at this period base on past readings. . I can look into it a bit to see what I find specifically. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a good citation in this: "Money of Hawaii Including a Preliminary Check List of Hawaiian Currency, Coins, Patterns, Scrip and Tokens* by Donald Billam-Walker in the Forty-eighth annual report of the Hawaiian Historical Society for the year 1939. Can you include this source for the sake of thoroughness and comprehensiveness in the references and add anything new (if any) it may provide to this article? Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:48, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you see my above comment? I am not going to be a stickler about it if you disagree. Just pointing out an additional source that might given some more support. Let me know either way. Other than this, I support this page's nomination.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, overlooked it. Let me look it over.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , I've added it as a source and used it in three places, including on the nails. Sorry about the delay. Thanks for bringing that up.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks for the great work on the article.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:15, 1 June 2017 (UTC)


 * There is inconsistency of kingdom vs Kingdom as a stand alone noun without "of Hawaii".
 * ...A number of businessmen, including Sanford B. Dole, objected" – Dole was a lawyer and government official not a businessman. The source seems to list him as the spokesman for the business community.
 * I've adjusted those things.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:04, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review and the support. And the patience.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , do you have anything more to add here? Sarastro1 (talk) 23:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
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