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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 03:46, 15 August 2014.

Katsudō Shashin

 * Nominator(s): Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

It'll take you longer to read this blurb than it will to watch this film—the oldest surviving example of Japanese animation, from possibly as early as 1907. Actually a printed filmstrip fastened together at the ends to be viewed endlessly, I suppose it may qualify as both the shortest and longest Japanese film. The depth of characterization and subtely of the intricate plot make the film a rewarding experience, especially upon re-viewing, but no more so than your inevitable review will be of this most special Candidate. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC) Image review Source review - spotchecks not done Support I only have two comments, and they're so minimal that I don't even care if you fix them or not.
 * Comments from the unfathomably vexed Crisco 1492
 * Katsudō Shashin (活動写真?, Moving Picture) ... who writes "活動写真" (katsudō shashin, or "moving picture"), - Do we really need the translation twice in the opening paragraph?
 * Removed second instance. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * whose ends - I don't think 35mm film is a person
 * We've disagreed about inanimate whose before. It'll take considerable peer pressure for me to budge from this. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't budge, "whose ends" is fine. - Dank (push to talk) 20:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * the oldest to survive is Hanawa Hekonai meitō no maki - from what year?
 * Added year. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Live-action films for these devices were expensive to make; possibly as early as 1898 animated films for these devices were on sale, and could be fastened in loops for continuous viewing. - Don't think these two are related enough for a semi-colon
 * Don't know why I did that. De-semicoloned. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * an old Kyoto family - are they named?
 * No, and neither was the dealer who acquired it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Any other critical reception? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A number of short articles proclaiming the discovery, but none of them fall under the what you could call "critical reception". The English ones can't even get their facts straight ( a lot of claims that it was hand-drawn, when the briefest peak at the severely off-register red dispells that idea).  I'd be thrilled if anything else interesting turned up. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing about its position in the animation canon either? Blast — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's one of those things that are so obvious that you couldn't possibly source it, like "the sky is blue" or "water is wet". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Our article on Jun'ichi Kouchi has him as a possible creator for the film. Can we source this? Or other speculation?
 * Added by an IP 30 July (two days ago) without a source. Given it predates Kouchi's work by up to a decade, and the styles are drastically different, I'm calling BS until someone can provide a source. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Generally the images look a bit jumbled. Perhaps if you moved the video down to the "History" section this would look a bit neater
 * Done. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Katsudō Shashin.jpg - Needs something a bit more specific than "1900s", since that could be the century and not the decade. Also needs a Japanese PD tag.
 * Added and fixed date. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Katsudō Shashin (1907).webm - I'd put c. 1907–1911, to be more accurate. Doesn't affect copyright in any way, so it's just a matter of proper documentation. Also, it needs a Japanese PD tag.
 * Added and fixed date. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Namakura-gatana (1917) toy movie filmstrip—single frame.png - Needs a Japanese PD tag.
 * Added . Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Support on prose and images. Good work! Will this be the earliest film for which we have an FA? Find out! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sherlock Holmes Baffled is older.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 00:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Buzzkill. Sock   ( tock talk)  12:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Use a consistent date format
 * Fixed. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Translation for Matsumoto chapter title? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Any reason two captions have "c. 1907"? It seems like only one is needed.
 * I removed both, since they're both redundant and the actual date isn't known. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * An IMDB external link would be nice
 * Done. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

 Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 00:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This article is good, but not flawless. First of all, as per Litten's most recent research explicitly states it " was originally a 35mm celluloid loop film with Edison perforation (it has now shrunk to 33,5mm)" - This means the Clements' source is actually incorrect in the identification - and I doubt that Clements every examined the film in person - so its not likely his mistake. He may be an apologist, but its not fair to label it his error. Though I think the fact that the production was decidedly amateur (according to Litten) that it should be added to the "creator unknown" sentence because it is a well-educated observation. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The first point has gone over my head—what are you asking me to change? For the second point, I don't see Litten calling the film "decidedly amateur", but rather low-quality, which Matsumoto says suggests it was from a smaller company.  I've added that to the article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Gladly support. It's nice to see a short article getting credit for it's detail all the same. I made a small change (Now lost → Now lost), which you're welcome to undo, it just came across a little odd to me. Otherwise, this article is well-researched, informative, and very well-written. Including the full film is a very nice touch. Excellent work! Sock   ( tock talk)  12:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Support on prose per standard disclaimer. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 20:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


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