Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kevin Youkilis/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Karanacs 21:49, 30 May 2009.

Kevin Youkilis

 * Nominator(s): Epeefleche (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe that it meets the FA criteria.Epeefleche (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is, alas, far from an FA and I'm surprised it got nommed just after the GA went through. Here's what I found just on a skim:
 * All references need to use the citation templates. No bare links.
 * Ref #3 has a 404 error, and I imagine several others do too.
 * Seems like most paragraphs start with "In 200x", which when overdone isn't very good prose.
 * The 2005 season needs expansion.
 * The 2009 season needs paragraph structure.
 * Let's not use Youtube as a reference - though you can put the milk money vid in the external links. (Here's a replacement: )
 * The lead should be expanded a little bit (Paragraph # is good, they just need more info)

I'm sure there's more, I just don't have the time to do a complete review just yet. When this is all fixed, I'll take a look back. Wizardman 15:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggest withdrawal not even sure this passes the good article criteria let alone FA criteria. Many unsourced statements, most of the citations are not developed. One line sentences everywhere. Please read the FA criteria before nominating any more articles.--Otterathome (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm quite surprised this passed GA. It's certainly nowhere close to FA material. I'd suggest withdrawing this one. It'll require quite a bit of work before it meets FA criteria. Budding Journalist 15:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support withdrawal or early archive (as a Yuk fan), nowhere near GA, much less FA. (I'm still unclear why GAs can be passed now this easily, but can't be easily delisted, now requiring a full process of GAR. The last FAC nom that didn't appear to meet GA either was quite a bit ago, yet is still listed as GA-- Central Intelligence Agency. I hope someone will take the time to initiate the review, since it's now a more elaborate process than the easy delisting of times past.) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If this article wasn't listed here it would very likely have been listed at GAR by now, as doubts have been expressed over whether it really meets the GA criteria and ought to have been listed, never mind the FA criteria. --Malleus Fatuorum 16:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Per everything above. Not enough citations, proseline throughout, and a stubby 2005 summary, just to name a few things. I also think this currently fails the GA criteria, and suggest that a peer review be requested before any future GA/FA nom.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 18:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Needs expansion of 2005, and consistent citation formatting.--Ethelh (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment No sense piling on with opposes, so I am simply going to add some brief comments on things that need to be worked on before this article can meet FA standards:
 * The lead needs to be expanded to meet WP:LEAD
 * Is there a need for each season to be its own section? Consider combining them into one or two subsections rather than seven, and work the fielding record into chronological order
 * Prose needs a ton of work. Use paragraphs instead of point form statements in each section.
 * The Moneyball reference seems like trivia. Is it really important that he was briefly mentioned in the book?  Also, that is nowhere close to irony.
 * Awards section is unreferenced
 * A lot of work needs to be done on conforming to the Manual of Style. Among them, section headers should have all words capitalized unless they are all proper names. References need to be properly formatted. Prose quality, as noted above.
 * Honestly, we get that he is a Jewish baseball player. You really don't need to shove this fact down our throats.
 * The link for his Hits for Kids charity should not be in the article body. It should just be in the external links section.  The interview ELs don't really add much.
 * Most of those templates are absolutely terrible abuses of navigational templates. That is, however only my opinion and not supported by the baseball project.  They are, however, a nauseating mishmash of colour and clutter at the end of the article.  Consider wrapping them all into a single collapsable box (e.x.: like at Wayne Gretzky).


 * This article needs a ton of work yet. Resolute 06:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments - here are two examples from many of why this article does not satisfy the criteria:
 * It was noticed in 2007 that various baseball websites had been using "youkike" as part of their urls for Youkilis's statistical webpages. "Kike" is a slur for a Jewish person. - noticed by whom, why "various", "had been using" or "were using", and at least two citations from relaible sources are needed.
 * His charity wine "SauvignYoouuk Blanc", released in 2008, supports Hits for Kids in entirety. - The wine does not support anything, but the profit from selling it fully finances the charity Hits for Kids. Graham Colm Talk 15:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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