Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kigali/archive1

Kigali

 * Nominator(s): &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

This article is about the capital city of Rwanda, Kigali, my home for a few years in the mid-2000s. Founded by the German explorer and governor, Richard Kandt, it became capital on Rwandan independence in 1962. It has grown rapidly since the 1990-94 civil war and genocide and is now home to lots of shiny new buildings, making it fairly unrecognisable even compared to when I lived there! Note that this is my second current FAC nom, as I am also a co-nom on the 2018 EFL League Two play-off Final with (who also performed the GA review for Kigali). Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Image review

 * Suggest adding alt text
 * The infobox caption mentions four landmarks, but there are only three images? Does the middle image contain two? If so suggest clarifying which is which
 * File:Rwanda_KigaliDists.png: what is the source of the data presented in this map?
 * It does not appear that Rwanda has freedom of panorama
 * File:Kigali_Convention_Centre.jpg: in addition to the FOP issue, I don't see this licensing at the given source. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not completely familiar with the FOP guidelines, so would you be able to say which of them have to be chopped? The buildings shown in File:Kandt House Kigali (back view).jpg and File:Ste.-Famille Church - Genocide Site - Kigali - Rwanda.jpg were built in 1907 and 1913 respectively, so might they be old enough to be exempt from a copyright provision? A couple of the others are just general views, which do contain buildings, but not as the main focus. Are those OK? Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * They don't necessarily have to be chopped if they would be in the public domain for another reason, for example age, but they would need tagging to indicate that. These images do not currently have such tagging: Kigali_Convention_Centre.jpg, Kigali_Genocide_Memorial_Centre_-_Flickr_-_Dave_Proffer_(1)_-_cropped.jpg, Ste.-Famille_Church_-_Genocide_Site_-_Kigali_-_Rwanda.jpg, Kigali_skyline_closeup.jpg, University_of_Rwanda_headquarters.jpg. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * pardon my ignorance, but I see you have not included File:Amahoro Stadium 2003 c.png or File:Kandt House Kigali (back view).jpg on this list, but I can't see any tags indicating a FoP exception for those? Is there something different about those two? Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * On those two, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't meet the threshold of originality. However, it would not be wrong to tag those as well, in case other reviewers may have a different interpretation - that element is subjective. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have replaced or tagged most of the FoP-affected images in the article. However, I have just seen File:La Grande Arche de la Défense and the Yaacov Agam Fountain (1977).jpg, which is a locally-uploaded non-Commons file used at La Defense, which states that it is permitted through our Non-U.S. copyrights guideline. Would something like File:Kigali skyline closeup.jpg be permitted if it is locally uploaded on en-wiki, or is there a stricter rule set in place for FAC? Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure, local uploads are permitted. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I have resolved all the issues you raised: Alt text has been added throughout, a source has been added for the districts map, and all building images either (a) removed, (b) tagged, or (c) uploaded locally. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Nikkimaria, are we good here? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * On images, yes; I have some pending comments at the bottom of the page. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Jens

 * Reads well, I like the amount of background information that helps with understanding.
 * the city was founded in 1908 – Later in the "Colonial period" section, it is somehow indicated that the city was already existing when Kandt arrived there: He chose to make his headquarters in Kigali; and no mention anymore that he founded it.
 * This seems to result from a couple of edits in the last few months that I hadn't spotted. (1) the date of founding should be 1907, and (2) the notion that the city was founded prior to 1907 and was the capital of the kings in the 16th century appears to be mostly WP:FRINGE. I have added some lines to explain this, with a source. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * more powerful neighbours, Bugesera – the latter links to modern Bugesera District, not sure if this is the correct article?
 * Probably not. The area might be roughly the same, but they're different things so I've amended it to a redlink Bugesera (kingdom). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The formation in the 17th century of a new Rwandan dynasty – I suggest "The formation of a new Rwandan dynasty in the 17th century" for better flow.
 * OK, sure. Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Lake Kivu – can this be linked?
 * Done. (And I've unlinked a mention further down the article). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * led to a severe famine at the start of the Belgian administration. – Is there an article about that famine that can be linked?
 * Unfortunately that one also doesn't have an article at present, but it is named by Des Forges as the Rumanura famine, so I've provided a redlink to that for now. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The RPF began attacking from the north – As the events discussed in the previous sentences took place in the city, the reader will assume "from the north of the city". Rather, it means "from the north of the country". Maybe specify for better flow.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Travel publisher Rough Guides has described  – Maybe add the year of publication to make clear we are no longer in the 1930s? I initially thought it is some historic account.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe add the human development index to the text; it is mentioned in the infobox, but it would be interesting to also state the tendency (did it, or any other similar measure, increase or decrease in recent years)?
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Due to its status as a colonial capital, Kigali was not historically the hub of Rwanda's cultural heritage – This does not seem logical. Being a colonial capital does not preclude being a hub of cultural heritage?
 * I've removed the part about its status as a colonial capital, it's not really necessary anyway. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Some more points may follow. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The country's traditional dance, a choreographed routine consisting of three components: the umushagiriro (cow dance), the intore (dance of heroes) and drumming, originated in the royal court at Nyanza – the colon within the sentence disrupts reading flow quite a bit, maybe reformulate.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * during the northern-hemisphere summer. Isn't the country it in the southern hemisphere? It should say "winter", then.
 * Well, that was literally what is written in the source. And the seasons as we know them away from the equator don't really exist in Rwanda anyway. But to be clearer, I've switched it to "July or August" with an alternative source. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this was mainly a neutrality issue; many Australians reading this sentence would have been very annoyed. Your solution now is perfect! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:52, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * along with private universities the Kigali Independent University (ULK) and the University of Lay Adventists of Kigali – there is a "," missing, and possibly a "were founded"?
 * text modified so hopefully it makes more sense now &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * But the top-three performing individual secondary schools – That "But" at the start of the sentence seems awkward.
 * I have put a "however" at the end of the sentence instead. If you can think of a better way to phrase it, let me know. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Any info available on the number of enrolled students at the universities? You only give number of pupils in the schools.
 * I have added a line on this. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest to add at least one image that shows the typical aura of the city, e.g. a street with people in it. From the pictures present in the article, I didn't get a good impression on how it actually looks there. You have a nice one on your user page, for example.
 * Unfortunately the picture on my user page would probably fall foul of the Freedom of Panorama issues which are mentioned by Nikki above, as it features two of Kigali's office towers. I have found a street scene on Flickr though without such issue, which is now in the infobox. If there are anyother pics you think might be valuable, let me know. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there anything about security and crime rates, and how this compares with other large cities in the region?
 * I have added a crime and policing subsection... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's it from me. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I've addressed all your points now. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support – thanks for carefully addressing all the points! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Mike Christie
I'm copyediting as I read through; please revert anything you disagree with. Overall the article is in good shape and I expect to support once these minor points are addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:01, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The geohack link inline is frowned on per MoS.
 * I've replaced it with plain text. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The "increase in average temperature" sentence is cited to a 2013 Strategic Foresight report; I think the reader should be aware inline that this is from 2013. Perhaps "... over the fifty years to 2013"?  Or use an "as of" phrase.
 * Yep, good catch. Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * with the boundaries of the city expanded: what does this mean? Administrative boundaries?  If it just means that the built-up area within the administrative boundaries expanded, I'm not sure it's worth mentioning.
 * Clarified, it is the administrative boundaries and I've added a note that this is part of the cause of the population doubling. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The NISR classifies 21% of the workforce as being employed in "other services", which include utilities as well as financial services, including banking, pensions, insurance, microfinance, and the Rwanda Stock Exchange, which launched in 2011. The syntax here is confusing, with "include ... including".
 * Amended. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This includes Village Urugwiro in Kacyiru, the office of the president, the Chamber of Deputies and Senate in Kimihurura. Should this have an "and" before "the Chamber"? If not I don't understand the sentence.
 * Yes. Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Inanga, Traditional Rwandan instrument during the introduction wedding in Kigali, Rwanda This is the caption for an image; it needs a citation, but also I don't understand what "during the introduction wedding" means.
 * Neither do I, really. I didn't add that particular image myself! Since its significance is unclear, and the instrument in question isn't discussed in the article, I have replaced it with a pic of traditional dancers. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The description of Genocide Memorial Day says that Kagame addresses the nation on that day. Wouldn't it be better just to say "the President"?  There's nothing about the ceremony that is specific to Kagame, is there?
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Support. Looks good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Support from TRM
I performed a typically robust review at GAN and felt this was in good shape for a run at FAC, so my comments here will be brief. I think I could spend a little longer delving around those refs so perhaps just go through and sanity check all the publishers/websites are consistently linked, all parameters are used consistently (i.e. accessdates are used on all online refs instead of 95% of them). I understand the Weather box query is a general issue but MOS compliance (as you know) is "mandatory" so if our experts confirm it's fine then brilliant, otherwise some work to do there. Cheers for now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 11:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * " Rwandan independence " I would have Rwandan inside the link as it's about the specific independence, not a general article on independence.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * " as the Liberation Day national holiday" bit of a sea of blue here, reword so it's clear you're specifically linking to Rwanda's national holidays.
 * Reworded. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Can someone expert (maybe ) tell me if Weather box is MOS:DTT compliant? It's arcanely crafted so I can't get to the nub of it.
 * "intentional homicide" I didn't realise this was a thing, isn't "unintentional homicide" manslaughter?
 * I couldn't tell you the legal distinction myself, but that is the term used in the source, which is written by the UN no less. The EU also defines the term on its website. I have added a link to our own page, List of countries by intentional homicide rate, which may assist anyone who's not too sure about it. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ace, I found this image: File:UNODC_definition_of_homicide.png instructive... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 20:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref 209, what's the work or publisher?
 * Added. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref 226 is a bare URL.
 * Fixed. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref 60 is gv.rw but all other government departments seem to be spelled out in words?
 * Changed to just Government of Rwanda. It doesn't seem to be linked to any particular department or ministry.
 * Ref 163 could use an accessdate for consistency.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ref 164 should link the work/website for consistency.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * RSSSF can be linked.
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Suspect some of the sources may be called out as "how do you explain these are "top notch"?" such as Bus Planet...
 * The table in Weather box does a very good job of meeting MOS:DTT with all scopes properly set. The only thing I'd grumble about is that many of the colour combinations added to the cells are difficult for me to read, particularly combinations like 11 which fail WCAG AAA. --RexxS (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * once again, thank you for your invaluable input in these matters, I very much appreciate it. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 20:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Does this mean it's OK to keep it as is? I think someone else set up the parameters for this one, so I've no idea if they're optimal or not... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It means ideally pick background/font colour combinations which are easier to read if MOS:ACCESS is a real consideration I think. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 23:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * OK I'll have a tinker with them tomorrow. I'm technically red-green colourblind myself actually, although it's sort of a "mild" case, and other than being barred from ever being a pilot, it has little practical effect on my life ... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The process is broken, but I'll happily support this. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 15:51, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Source review – Pass
Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 22:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Bibliography References
 * Formatting
 * What is ".fwo" at the end of the Dorsey ref?
 * I don't know. Looks like a typo or something. Removed. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You have "2nd ed" but "2 ed" & "1 ed" – either formatting is fine, just should be consistent
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Wondering if you might considering adding something like "|format=PDF" to the MINEDUC and NISR refs, just to make it clear to readers that clicking the link won't open a new page, but will initiate a download
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Newcastle upon Tyne" is the only location you include, I suggest removing it
 * Done (plus a couple of others). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused by your designation of bibliography. I assumed that sources where you reference more than one page are put there, but refs like Mamdani, Appiah, Watson et al. are referencing a single page, while refs such as Fegley are also referencing a single page but cited in text
 * Yeah, I think the intention was to cite inline where there was just a single page, but obviously I wasn't doing it very consistently. To make it simpler to manage I've flipped everything that uses page numbers over to sfn referencing, even if it's just a single occurrence of that page. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that seems like the most appropriate solution
 * retrieval dates missing for refs 64, 92, 201,
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * publishers needed for refs 182, 188
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Again we have some stray locations, refs 162 and 177
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * seems to be a duplicate date (18 March 2016) in ref 167
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 116 should be "pp."
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * since 41 is too old for an ISBN I recommend adding an OCLC found here, I believe
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Roman Adrian Cybriwsky seems to not be in a template, and thus is formatted differently than all the other refs, needs an ISBN as well
 * Done (I've merged it with the other Cybriwsky ref). &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I apologize and recognize how nitpicking these comments are—though I hope you understand I'm addressing optimal consistency and accessibility, not trying to enforce any citation style on your work
 * No probs at all, and I should have really fixed all these in advance. They can be hard to spot though! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliabillity
 * I'm not sure about citing wikileaks in ref 48, seems to be veering on the edge of being a primary source, and I'm not sure we have any way of telling that the wikileaks documents hasn't been altered from the original. Would recommend it is replaced
 * Fair enough. I can't find exactly the same info anywhere so have removed that part, but I have added a note that life largely continued as normal amid "widespread popular relief". &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Am hesitant about google maps as well, but if there is no suitable alternative, I understand the need
 * Hmmm, any particular reason? I've not heard about Google Maps being off-limits before, we even have ... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It just stood out to me as rather odd, but I suppose I don't have any real grevienve with it. Only mentioned in case you had a higher quality source with the same information available—don't worry about it
 * The youtube ref is also less than ideal, any news/web sources available for this?
 * Yes. Replaced. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see any other reliabillity issues.


 * Verifiability
 * Spotchecks not done – nominator has a history of FAs
 * Page number(s) for ref 167?
 * Done. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The rest looks good Aza24 (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I've looked at all your points now. Many thanks again for the review. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your effort here, everything is looking a lot better. I have two remaining points, 1) Completely optional, but if you want to reinsert the Wikileaks info, it may be appropriate to do so if you have something like "According to a report in Wikieaks..." in the text it self. 2) Ref 70 seems to be missing a page number and should (I believe) be in the biblio like the rest. Aza24 (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * (1) it turns out the original cable is available on the US Department of State's own website (having been declassified in 2005), so linking to the Wikileaks isn't necessary, I've now cited it directly to the horse's mouth. Re (2) the work in question is a map rather than a book, so it doesn't have page numbers. Should I nonetheless put it into the bibliography? I have zero opinion on which option is better, so will defer to whatever you say is best! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, well there's Template:Cite map, which would add a little "(Map)" to make it clear that it's a map and not a book with a missing page number? Aza24 (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I've adjusted that as such, hope that's okay. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 07:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments
 * What makes Failed Architecture a high-quality reliable source? Time.is? Culture Trip? TechCrunch?
 * I have replaced the FailedArchitecture, Time.is and CultureTrip refs. TechCrunch looks OK to me - it has editorial control, and is owned by Verizon. Threads at WP:RSN don't seem to have rejected it. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The entry for it at WP:RSP shows no consensus on reliability - any reason it'd be better in this particular case? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand this objection - consensus is that TechCrunch is fine for WP:V purposes, although it may not always be suitable for notability. But anyway, I have tweaked the text a bit and found alternative sources. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the concern was that the standard per WIAFA is "high-quality", not just bare reliability. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Footnote 182 is missing language indication - check for others
 * Done. I had a scan through the refs and couldn't see any others. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Bundervoet 2015 is missing publisher
 * Fixed. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * What is the etymology of Kigali?
 * Are there any hospitals or health centres other than University Teaching Hospital?
 * What powers the city?
 * Are there any television or radio stations headquartered in the city? What about newspapers? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added paragraphs on each of the topics you mention above. I think this should conclude the points you raise, so please could you have another look when you get a chance? Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Etymology content is broadly good - not convinced we need Kagame's dates in there, and the World Factbook ref needs reformatting (World Factbook is a work title, not part of the page title).
 * Infrastructure and media content are both good individually, but not as a single section - suggest splitting. See for example WP:CITSTRUCT. Also check throughout for formatting consistency - eg % vs "per cent", The New Times vs The New Times (Rwanda), etc. Finally, not sure what is meant by "partially government" - elaborate? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I have enacted your points here (although it's possible I've missed some formatting issues still!) Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I've tried a different organizational structure - feel free to revert if you don't like it. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * that looks fine to me. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, is there more to come on this one? Gog the Mild (talk) 10:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep. Support ;-) Nikkimaria (talk) 13:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Amakuru, just a reminder re Nikkimaria's comments immediately above. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for the reminder, and I haven't forgotten. The last few points that Nikki mentions will require a little bit more work, but I've made a start on the power generation side. Hopefully I'll get them done in the next few days. Cheers  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2021 (UTC)