Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Knock You Down/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 15:04, 26 March 2011.

Knock You Down

 * Nominator(s): Candy  o32  23:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I have worked on it for a while, and it has met GA criteria, and now I believe it may be a potential featured article. Candy o32  23:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Images
 * "frenetic mid-tempo groove." - this quote in article text omits the hyphen; does the original source include it? Amend one of the two occurrences as necessary
 * Done.


 * File:Knockyoudown.jpg - is there a more specific source link available? The image does not appear on the linked page. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:02, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Candy  o32  14:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments
 * Why is there no length in the infobox?
 * done-t


 * Add CD single to formats
 * done-t


 * "recording artist and songwriter" could be replaced by singer-songwriter
 * done-t


 * Remove commas after Ne-Yo and Cossom
 * done-t


 * "which also includes elements of pop music" - remove "also"
 * done-t


 * Give a specific release date in teh lead
 * done-t


 * "coincidentally it was released at the time surrounding the death of the late singer" - rewrite
 * RIANZ needs to be spelled out in full
 * done-t


 * Open the background section by naming personnel (writers and producer, at least)
 * Recording and release info needs to be here too
 * Ref 3 (sheet music) is dead/redirects. Try
 * I was told to format similar to the FA 4 Minutes (Madonna song), which doesn't use the url.
 * But the link of ref 3 (hmv) redirects to the home page. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to attribute sheet music sources in prose
 * Could you point out what needs sourcing in the prose?
 * What I mean is you need to say "According to the sheet music published at Musinotes.com by xyz publishing, blah blah..." Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * "Coincidentally, the song was released in numerous territories around the death of the singer." How about the time of the death?
 * "West also refers to the domestic abuse accusations against his Jackson's father" - stray "his"
 * Do not link inside quotes
 * "in the following lyric" → in the line,
 * "and would later go on" - write in past tense
 * "It was a success in the United States also" - the Hot 100 is US
 * "It success in Europe allowed it to chart" - slightly weasel-ish. 'It' needs an 's', as well
 * Reduce File:Knockyoudownvideo.jpg to 300px wide
 * Done


 * "intro" is colloquial
 * Done


 * "diss" is slightly colloquial, too
 * I don't know another word to use instead of "diss" to give the same meaning, what would you recommend? Per another editors comments below, I put diss in quotations.


 * "neither camps" - change to singular
 * Removing completely per below comments.


 * Would the performance on Dick Clark's New Year's... not have been on 31 Dec, not 1 Jan?
 * Hilson's performance on the show was after 12 a.m.


 * Is there an image of a performance? If not, then an image of Hilson?
 * There is not one of her performing the song, and I don't see how just a regular image of her would be relevant with the album artwork and music video cap.

Adabow (talk · contribs) 00:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Credits: order names alphabetically, and link tasks
 * Can you shift the year-end charts to the right?
 * The release history needs to be more comprehensive, as the song was obviously released outside these three countries
 * Is it really necessary considering a release history isn't a component of WP:SONGS anyway? Candy  o32  19:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Sources review:
 * Nitpicks
 * Ref 2: "Digital Spy" is not a print source and should not be italicised
 * done-t


 * Ref 4 should have a date
 * There is an accessdate there, I don't know why its not showing up.


 * Reliability
 * I'm not saying they're not reliable, but Hitfix (ref 7) and Singersroom (ref 333) are both new to me. Are there any recommendations or references to these sites that can help to confirm them as high quality reliable sources?
 * I found that Singersroom won the 2010 Soul Train Award for Best Soul Site.  Candy  o32  21:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Spotchecks
 * Among the several statements cited to Ref 2 are the following. I cannot find these, or indeed any reference to Michael Jackson, in this source. Where ought I to be looking?
 * "In "Knock You Down", Kanye West makes multiple references to Michael Jackson, and coincidentally, the song was released in numerous territories around the death of the singer."
 * "The song also includes electronic tones, and derives from pop and hip-hop genres"
 * "In West's lines, he references Michael Jackson and his song "Bad" in the lines "This is bad, real bad, Michael Jackson." Coincidentally, the song was released in numerous territories around the death of the singer"
 * "West also refers to the domestic abuse accusations against his Jackson's father, Joe, in the following lyric "Now mad, real mad, Joe Jackson."
 * The followng statement is cited to ref 25: "In an interview on the Today Show, anchor Hota Kotb made a remark to Ne-Yo, stating, 'You have this really hot new video that you do with Kanye West and another woman named Keri. You [and Kanye] are such big stars. How did this happen?' Blogs reported this as a possible diss toward Hilson, however, neither camps reported anything after the fact." The word "diss" is an obvious colloquialism and, if you are to use it, should be in quotes. Also, blogs don't "report", they "comment". My main concern, though, is that the final part of the sentence, "neither camps reported anything after the fact." is not covered within the source.
 * Quoted diss, and removed last part.

Other spotchecks proved OK but I was only able to cover a fairly small proportion of the refs. Brianboulton (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


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