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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 14:12, 2 August 2018.

Lawrence Weathers

 * Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Lawrence Weathers was an Australian soldier who was awarded the Victoria Cross during World War I, although he was killed near the end of the war and before learning he was to receive it. When he returned to his mates after the actions that earned him the VC, his uniform was covered in mud, he had blood running down his face, and had five days' stubble on his chin. He was also festooned "like a Christmas tree" with souvenired German binoculars and pistols. He, assisted by a few others had captured 180 Germans and three machine guns. It is a fairly brief article, but his life was short, and I believe I've captured everything about him available from reliable sources. This is the latest from a long-term project I'm working on to get all South Australian VC recipients to FA. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:28, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nikkimaria!


 * Support on prose. Seems small but perfectly formed to me; nice article. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look! Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Support from JennyOz

Hi Peacemaker67, I'm happy to support but adding a few unimportant minor suggestions. Thanks for telling his story. JennyOz (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * wlink HMAT Afric this SS Afric (per this and this)?
 * his battalion saw during the war, the Battle of Messines,[5] during which the 43rd Battalion incurred 122 casualties during a night-time operation - 3 x 'during's, swap one for 'at' or 'in'?
 * between the Ancre and the Somme west of - add 'rivers' after Somme?
 * battalion was responsible for clearing the village itself - wlink village to Le Hamel?
 * there is a bit on Trove about him having 4 brothers and 3 sisters, and a 2yr overseas trip prior to signing up. This one mentions Annie was known as Tess and was from Unley and their 2 children were aged 5 and 3 when he died.
 * Thanks ! Very naughty of me to not check Trove before nominating... Added both sources and expanded the Early life section with that content. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those additions PM. Yatala needs further dab'ing maybe the Rosewater one? Best wishes, JennyOz (talk) 10:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Support: Nice work, PM, as always. I reviewed this at A-class review and see that it has been further improved since then. I have a few observations/suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 23:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ext links all work and there are no dab links;
 * there are no duplicate links;
 * the citations appear correctly formatted to me, using a consistent style;
 * I suggest adding alt text to the image;
 * training in the UK would most likely have been on Salisbury Plain, do any of your references cover this?
 * "night-time operation": do we know what the objective was?
 * do we know what Weathers' unit did between December 1917 and March 1918? Probably wintered in Belgium, rotating between the front and rear areas. I suggest possibly adding a sentence about this to the second paragraph of the World War I section, if you have a reference for this.
 * Thanks for the review, Rupert. All addressed I think. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good, nicely done. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 03:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Sources review
Trivial points only:
 * "Australian War Memorial" and "National Archives of Australia" are not print sources and so should not be italicised
 * weird that the cite web template italicises them automatically.
 * Its because you were using "website=" rather than "publisher=". The website is the thing that's published, not the publisher. Brianboulton (talk) 08:55, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. The foibles of template syntax. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * ISBNs should preferably be in standardised 13-digit format per Wigmore and Harding
 * On a very minor presentational point: I don't think 27 footnotes warrants four columns

In general the sources are well presented and are of the appropriate quality and reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 16:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source review, ! All done, although I have kept the columns to reduce whitespace. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

, this looks good to go. Can I have dispensation for a fresh one please? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free! -- Laser brain  (talk)  02:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Support from Ian -- like Rupert, I reviewed at ACR and, although the article is among the briefest bios I've read at FAC, I don't see major holes in its summary of what was after all a pretty brief life and career; having checked changes since ACR, I found a few places to tweak prose but overall it reads well and I'll take as read Nikki's and Brian's image and source reviews. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Brevity is a reality for many of the VC recipients, but as long as we reflect everything available in reliable sources, I don't see why they cannot get to FA. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

this one looks done and dusted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:03, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

-- Laser brain  (talk)  14:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
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