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Lips Are Movin

 * Nominator(s): NØ 03:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

This article is about "Lips Are Movin", the second single by American singer-songwriter Meghan Trainor. Its music video was the first to feature social media influencers in it as we know them today, with a Billboard author describing it as a "historic milestone in the realm of YouTube creators". While the song drew widespread comparisons to Trainor's debut number-one hit, it eviscerated any doubts about Trainor being a one-hit-wonder as she became just the fifth female artist to follow her debut number-one single directly with a second top-five hit. The article has received two peer reviews and a failed FAC in the past. Although I've rewritten basically everything after the Trainor bio became an FA, so this one should go more smoothly. I appreciate any comments and am open to doing QPQ for anyone who may support this nomination. I will ping Jaguar and SNUGGUMS to let them know about this nomination as prior peer reviewers. Cheers--NØ 03:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Oppose
Just skimmed through the lede, and here are my concerns:
 * MTV News premiered the song on October 15, 2014. Epic Records released it as the second single from the album on October 21, 2014 → Does this mean that the premiere by MTV News is unorthodox?
 * It was an official premiere. Hopefully changing it to "Epic Records released it for digital download" makes this simpler to understand. Open to suggestions.


 * Music critics widely compared it to Trainor's debut single "All About That Bass" (2014) → In what aspects (i.e. the musical style?)
 * Yes, elaborated.


 * reviews for the song were mixed → Ditto; this needs some details (i.e. some liked the sound but others did not)
 * Done.


 * The song's multi-platinum certifications in Australia and the US can be helpful in the lede
 * Done.


 * the video was viewed 2.5 million times on YouTube within two days and received positive reviews → Not sure if the view count is notable; ditto for how positive the reviews were
 * Removed.


 * Trainor has performed "Lips Are Movin" on several shows, including Today, The Voice, and Dancing with the Stars. It was also performed during Trainor's 2015 That Bass and MTrain Tours, and The Untouchable Tour (2016). → These two sentences can be merged
 * Done.

— HĐ (talk) 08:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you so much for the swift comments. The lead already looks so much better. I'm excited for the rest of your review :)--NØ 09:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The article overall is in pretty good shape, though prose concerns exist. Continued:
 * Music critics widely compared its musical style – girl-group harmonies and bubblegum pop hooks – to Trainor's debut single "All About That Bass" (2014); and reviews for the song were mixed, with some critics thinking that the similarities signaled commercial success for the former, but others criticizing the songs for following the same formula → this is over-complex and could be divided into two/three sentences
 * Split.


 * Was Trainor working with the Nashville publishing company? I think some context on this is needed
 * Yes, she was signed to them. I added this. Let me know if you think I should mention her indie albums here too.


 * He has spoken fondly → I prefer past simple tense
 * Done.


 * surfaced online → Do you mean leak?
 * Yes :)


 * and released it for digital download in various countries → Was it released the same day with the US release? Plus "various countries" appear to be European countries
 * By my understanding, it was digitally released everywhere on the same day, except UK. Here are the refs for China and South Africa. Might be overkill to add it all in the article though.


 * In the former country, the song was made available to those who pre-ordered Title → The source is for Australia, though?
 * Removed it altogether. The second ref states "Album Only" which is enough for verification.


 * being held back till January 18 → Why was the release delayed?
 * It can be assumed it was to push pre-orders for Title, but this information as such hasn't been stated by any source and is WP:SYNTH.


 * "Lips Are Movin" is a doo-wop and pop song that lasts for three minutes and one second. → This is a case of WP:SYNTH
 * Fixed this.


 * There have been concerns over reliability of Musicnotes.com, as anyone can post their arrangements of songs onto the website. I don't insist on removing it, but please pay extra care to this.
 * With "4 Minutes", "Diamonds", and "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)", all using this source, I would say it's more common among music FAs to use it than to not.

— HĐ (talk) 05:05, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Addressed all. Left some replies above.--NØ 11:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I regret to oppose for now; the prose is yet not up to FA quality in my opinion. I have pointed out some examples above, and below are a few of my concerns, which is by no means exhaustive:
 * "Lips Are Movin" received widespread comparisons to "All About That Bass" from music critics.[27][28] → I am not sure if two sources equate to "widespread"; plus this comparison has already been mentioned in the Composition section. I get that the majority of the reviews compare this song to it predecessor, but citing two sources for this claim is SYNTH unless there is a source explicitly saying so. Otherwise, I recommend removing the bit
 * There are upwards of 10 sources comparing the two songs, not just two. It would just be WP:OVERKILL to put them all after this sentence. Basically 90% of this section is a testament to the comparisons.


 * a catchy ladies' anthem → This sounds awkward
 * I will work on fixing this.


 * Lengthy quotes such as "She's versatile, confident, vulnerable and smart, something everyone should already know based on 'Lips Are Movin." can be shortened or paraphrased
 * I will try to paraphrase it, but it is composed of mostly adjectives so that will be hard.


 * t it reminding him of Christina Aguilera's "What a Girl Wants" (1999) saved it from being a "complete mess" → grammar; plus I don't know what this means
 * The author wrote this. For some reason the song's similarities to "What a Girl Wants" are what saved it from being "a complete mess" according to him.


 * The Critical reception section is very bloated; try grouping the reviews into similar themes (i.e. Those complimented the song's production included A, B, C. Those who criticized the similarity to its predecessor included D, E, F)
 * I will try doing this.


 * Some opinions don't really need to be quoted (i.e. writing that it "strictly adheres to the same beat sheet as its predecessor" / the two songs are "nearly interchangeable"). They are just the same opinion reiterated multiple times
 * I will take this into account while rewriting.


 * Clash remark on the song's "pseudo-feminist" theme is worth discussing at the Composition section
 * Will do.


 * The Teen Choice Awards is by no means a critical or academic award
 * Will remove.


 * The Reception of the Music video section is mainly comprised of positive reviews, while the headlines of some (most notably "Meghan Trainor's 'Lips are Movin' and the art of corporate patronage") seem to potentially provide varying perspectives on the video's production and relation to the excessive corporate environment, as well as apparently some criticism. That said I'm not seeing any of that discussed.
 * Will look into this.

I apologize for not having taken part in the peer review (which I barely noticed), but the prose needs more polishing for FA quality. It'd be great if copyedit can finalize within days to prepare for FAC, but I don't think FAC is the place to address issues that could have been resolved elsewhere. I will oppose for now, but will take a second look after a few days to check up on the progress. Cheers, HĐ (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand that this specific FAC is doomed now, so I'll try it later after working on your concerns.--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 05:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Media review

 * I will assume good faith that File:KK color pic.jpg is the uploader's own work as claimed, and all other media is fine per my comments here. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 12:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this ;) --<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 04:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Withdrawal
With some extensive concerns being pointed out by HĐ, I will withdraw this nomination for now and attempt later. Thank you, .--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 05:14, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 07:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)