Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Loihi Seamount/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:58, 9 May 2009.

Loihi Seamount

 * Nominator(s): Res Mar 21:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets the criterea. This article has undergone a MASSIVE overhual, from just 5k to 51k. Me and Viriditas have been hitting it pretty hard, and the article underwent a formal Peer Review, although most of the improvement came through disscusion on the talk page. In addition Michael Devore did a comprehensive copyedit, and I think it's finally ready! Res Mar 21:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment It appears reference 26 is lacking a publisher. Mm40 (talk) 00:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I think. Res Mar 01:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * images Article should be balanced by alternating left right per WP:MOSIMAGES, otherwise fine Fasach Nua (talk) 08:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Images look balanced. Res Mar 15:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tech. Review
 * There are 0 ref formatting errors, checked with WP:REFTOOLS.
 * There are 0 dead external links, checked with the links checker tool.
 * Fix the four disambiguation links, checked with the dab finder tool.
 * Crater
 * Loihi is a self-redirect.
 * Resolution
 * University of the Pacific -- T ru  c o   02:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, except for the Loihi self-dir. I'll try to find it. Res Mar 15:19, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed the self-redirect. It was in the table in the 1996 event section. Oddly, the link sends you to the section that it's located in. &mdash;Kal (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * Please spell out lesser known abbreviations in the references (such as SOEST)
 * Friends fixed this, according to the highlighter the only place where the abbr is used is in the sources.
 * Which is precisely where I asked for it to be fixed. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree; the abbreviation is spelled out in the article...<span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 17:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What makes http://www.volcanolive.com/loihi.html a reliable source?
 * He's an expert on volcanology, and the site has information on thousands of volcanoes, including lesser-known ones. The information is confirmable I'm sure. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 15:22, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To determine the reliability of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliability that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - I'll save ResMar some sweat with this one :).
 * 
 * Refers to site
 * "gives you some very good background information about volcanoes." I should think that about works?  Ceran  llama chat post 22:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment  No, those three are not good sources. This article has done a good job of sticking to Scientific citation guidelines (except for the one noted by Ealdgyth above). Popular press articles and blogs are not good sources for science-based articles.  &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 23:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll concur with Mattisse here, the first one is from a travel section, and the second one is from a news release that merely says the site "monitors volcano activity". The third one is an opinion column. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you guys dislike the source, I can remove it. The existance of Nana Vents is confirmed by the other sites, I just need to find the depth elsewhere in order to remove Seach entirely. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 15:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's gone now. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 15:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition I made a table listing the vents. Note that earlier in the article it says "a new hydrothermic vent was found in 1996..." while the table lists five such vents. In reality, two (Ula, Maximilian) are diffuse vents (non hydrothermic apparently), and the other two are located within Pele's Pit. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 16:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Conditional support - Coverage and organization is good but prose may have some issues. I'm not an expert in that area but will consider my support conditional to addressing any future comments / objects in that direction. If that does not happen, then consider this a support. --mav (talk) 21:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Come on-doesn't anyone wanna comment? This is going really excruciatingly slow... <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 23:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Comments from As Mav requested, I'll look at the prose:


 * "In 1996, Lōʻihi was rocked by the first ever directly observed eruption of an active underwater " Can we find a better word than "rocked"? Delete the unnecessary "ever".
 * "most likely it will merge and coalesce with the other volcanoes making up the island of Hawaiʻi" "merge and coalesce"—are these not the same actions? "making up"-->that compose


 * "Unlike most Pacific volcanoes which form" "which"-->that
 * Actually, which is proper, because using "that" sugests that Loihi too formed on a plate rim. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you make a mention of around when the volcano formed (in the lead)?


 * "and is monitored by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the United States Geological Survey for changes." Last two words are redundant IMO.
 * Someone fixed it, a believe, as I cannot find that line anymore. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe Mattisse has been doing some very helpful copy-editing. Also, could you not strike reviewers' comments, per FAC instructions ("nominators should not cap, alter, strike, break up, or add graphics to comments from other editors")? The reviewers decide when a comment is resolved, not the nominator. Thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * O.K. It's just nice to have this nomination rolling again, after 2 weeds of threadbare activity. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 00:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "The Hawaii Undersea Geological Observatory (HUGO) provided valuable real-time data of Lōʻihi from 1997 to 2002. Lōʻihi last erupted in 1996." "valuable"—is there such thing as "useless" real-time data?


 * Point taken. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "Lōʻihi is a seamount (underwater volcano) located on the flank"
 * Um...I don't see your point. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "It is the newest volcano in the massive Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain, created by the Hawaiʻi hotspot." For chronological purposes, I think it would make more
 * More what? <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I meant to delete that comment. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "northwest-southeast" En dash.
 * Can you be more descriptive? I'm not all that familair with the MOS's technical specifications, and I don't see the problem from the information given. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Never mind, I see now. Mataisse fixed it. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 21:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "with 200 m (660 ft) walls." What dimension are we referring to? Length? Width? Depth?
 * "western-most pit is the oldest, with the eastern pit being of a younger age and Pele's Pit being easily the youngest (having formed in 1996)" The noun + -ing construction is ungainly. Try "western-most pit is the oldest; the eastern pit is younger and Pele's Pit is the youngest (having formed in 1996)".
 * "Thick walls (about 20 m (66 ft))" Once again, ambiguity on what numbers are describing.

It's not bad, but needs polish. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments - In the section "Microorganisms", do you need two pics plus a table? The section does not display correctly in my browser, as the table gets pushed under the pics into the text and sandwiched. &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 20:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Moved table to bottom, into its own subsection. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 21:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest using only one of the pix under "Microorganisms" as they duplicate each other a great deal, and the section still remains crowded even with the table moved into its own section. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 21:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, okay. I don't personally think so, but the image is not that important anyhow. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You might consider wikilinking to pit crater rather than volcanic crater, but I actually don't think it makes any difference. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 18:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 22:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support This is a very interesting article presenting quite a complete picture of the topic. You have obviously done a a great deal of work. (I am confused that the article does not seem to be on the FAC list. But I don't always understand these things.) One detail, do you have page numbers for all the book references? &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 00:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
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