Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Louie B. Nunn/archive1


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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 14:20, 19 August 2012.

Louie B. Nunn

 * Nominator(s): Acdixon (talk · contribs) 12:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

This is presently a good article and has gone through a peer review, which identified no major issues. I believe it is a comprehensive look at one of only eight Republicans to be elected governor of Kentucky. Historian Thomas D. Clark opined that he was the strongest of the eight. Please note that the Sigmund Byrd work "The Louie Nunn Story" was very difficult to find on interlibrary loan. I don't have access to it at the moment, and if I get comments that require me to find it again, it will take at least a few days to respond to them appropriately. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 12:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for a reviewing this so quickly. Would be nice if this one didn't drag on for almost two months like the last one. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comments: Supported below I peer reviewed this a while back, and I think it is very close to FA. A few quibbles:
 * I'd swap the order of the last two sentence of the first paragraph of "Early life".
 * No problem with that. Done. Maybe I'll get around to writing the article on Lee Nunn one day. Several people have told me he was quite the interesting character. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any information on his activities between '63 and '67?
 * I didn't run across anything. I know his brother was kind of known as a back room dealer on campaigns and such. Perhaps Louie also adopted that strategy during this period. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "his proudest accomplishment at governor." Do you mean "as governor"?
 * Quite so. Changed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "He continued backing Republican candidates, and backed Ronald Reagan's primary challenge" Might want to avoid the "backing... backed" here.
 * Yep. Fixed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "against Democrat John Y. Brown, Jr..[36] " Doubled period here.
 * Fixed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "In 2000, Nunn successfully defended actor Woody Harrelson, who came to Lee County, Kentucky, and planted hemp seeds in open defiance of Kentucky's law forbidding cultivation of hemp. " Was Harrelson arrested, or was this just defending him in comments to media? Mark Arsten (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was arrested. Clarified. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 01:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it will be closed by September... Mark Arsten (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support: Alright, between the PR and the above comments, everything I could come up with has been covered, and I'm confident that meets the FA standards. It was easy reading, good job. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * FN21: not seeing this work in Bibliography
 * Since this was added along with a bunch of other information from the Byrd work, I'm thinking I mistakenly typed "Nunn" where I meant "Byrd". Changed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Samples-Gutierrez or just Samples
 * Apparently, Samples-Gutierrez. Changed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of your newspaper articles are missing page numbers
 * Fixed for articles with no URLs. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
 * Fixed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * University Press of Kentucky or The University Press of Kentucky? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Support I assisted at the peer review and was pleased to see the progress made thereafter. A very good article. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:Louie_B_Nunn.jpg: any idea who painted this or who might hold copyright? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Added Information template. The artist's name was available, but not the date of the work. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 Comments, leaning to Support
 * Not sure that you need all the links for fairly everyday terms, e.g. given name, general store -- those are examples, perhaps you take a pass through the article and see if there's anything else that we could do without linking.
 * Removed a few. Ultimately decided to keep "final examinations", but that one could probably go either way. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 12:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks okay. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd expect to see a source or sources for the Ancestors table, as not all members are mentioned/cited earlier in the article.
 * This has come up before. did this with all the Kentucky governor articles. It's a project he was working on for the Kentucky Historical Society. I think there's a hidden comment above the table that says the information was taken from public records. Spacini could tell you more if you want to contact him. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 12:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I think a nominator needs to take responsibility for what's in the article, whatever the source, and I think a section like this needs to satisfy the same criteria for referencing as any other part of the article. Had a look for precedents of uncited Ancestors sections in other recent Kentucky governor articles, i.e. Garrard and Scott, and couldn't see such a thing. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * See the successful FA noms of Governors Laffoon and Collins for precedent, and also for Spacini's response to previous concerns expressed about this section in those articles. I would consider public birth and death records as reliable sources, but I'm not sure how you would cite such a thing here. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your comments and those of Spacini in the earlier FACs, though I note that the noms also show that reviewers are questioning the worth of such sections in non-royalty articles. That said, my concern was not so much the section's presence as the lack of citation. I have to stand by that, as I can't see how such a section should be exempt from clear sourcing at FA level. The last time I raised something like this (wearing my delegate's hat, rather than as a reviewer) was for Mary, Queen of Scots, and the nominator took care of it to my satisfaction. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not being privy to how, exactly, this section was compiled, I'm basically at a loss as to how I might remedy this situation myself. I dropped Spacini a note and expect he will try to address this within a few days. Although it will delay my FA nomination of Constitution Square State Historic Site to keep this nomination open, I'm willing to wait on him to communicate with you and try to find acceptable sourcing. Alternatively, I would be OK with starting an RFC about this general issue (both the worthiness for inclusion and the appropriate sourcing). I would agree to abide by whatever consensus dictates in exchange for your immediate support of this article, assuming this is the only thing standing between you and a support !vote. This would give me a reference point for when this issue inevitably comes up again, and it would let us close the book on this nomination, which has been open for a month and a half already. Either way is fine with me. I should note that I'll most likely be off-wiki for most if not all of the weekend, so I won't be able to participate in much discussion after today until Monday. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Per my conversation with Spacini, I've commented out this section until he can run down the citations again. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 21:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tweaked a couple of things in the text but otherwise prose, coverage, structure, referencing and images seem fine -- well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hope we can get the two issues above resolved and get your support. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 12:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tks for your trouble (and to Spacini) -- happy to support in this form. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. After a couple read throughs I was unable to find anything actionable. Of curiosity, did he have any political interests before the county judge decision? Reads as if it was on a whim, though maybe it was. If nothing is in sources about that though, then there's nothing to add. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 02:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the sources on his early life are scarce. I might speculate that his older brother Lee Roy, who was a behind-the-scenes operator for the Republicans for a long time, from what I understand, may have influenced the decision, but I don't have a source to back that up. Thanks for the support. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Leaning to support. A query:
 * Comments:The following link in the article is not working: "WKU Hall of Distinguished Alumni: 2001 HODA Inductees". Interesting article, it is good to see a FAC about the state of Kentucky. Regards, Paulista01 (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks. If you are interested in Kentucky-related FACs, watch here for my nominees. They're basically all Kentucky-related. I've got two ready to go here as soon as this closes, although I can only nominate one at a time. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Acdixon. I will watch for the articles. Good work. Paulista01 (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. A very objective article, couldn't find any problems. Paulista01 (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "He managed Senator Cooper's re-election campaign in 1960 and Senator Morton's in 1962.[11] He also managed the state campaign of presidential candidate Richard Nixon in 1960." Can the article tell us nothing about the outcome of any of these campaigns? Did either of the Senators win? Did Nixon take Kentucky?
 * Fixed. All three campaigns were successful, although Nixon lost to John F. Kennedy nationally. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "Nunn doubled the accommodations in the state park system". Strange use of the term accommodation, and don't understand why it is plural. Is this referring to hotels / campgrounds?hamiltonstone (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this is a regional variation of English. It doesn't seem at all strange to me and, in fact, reflects the wording of the source. My understanding is that it would refer to primarily overnight accommodations such as cabins, campgrounds, etc. Of course, the source gives no context, so I can't say that with certainty. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks for your responses. Good article. I'm a support. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


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