Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lupin III/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 16:08, 30 July 2007.

Lupin III
self-nomination. In the past month, I worked significantly to improve the article. The article underwent a major overhaul and numerous edits to improve clarity, style and tone, include inline citations, remove unnecessary material, and improve the structure and overall quality of the article. III&diff=135742470&oldid=135689712 this is how the article looked on June 4, 2007 if you would like to compare the changes the article underwent over a period of four weeks. When I worked on improving the article, I kept the four criteria of featured articles in mind, so I hope the end product embodies the criteria of featured articles --AutoGyro 05:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Both the group picture and the individual character pictures say that their fair-use rationale is to "identify the characters." In the spirit of minimal use, it would probably be best if we could narrow those down somewhat. (ESkog)(Talk) 05:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the main image to the international Lupin III logo that TMS provides with Lupin the 3rd licenses. Proper fair use summery and copyright license tag were used. --AutoGyro 15:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Object I cannot see supporting this article under one major sticking point: the useage of fairuse images on the front page. Already, there has been a very heated debate on a few areas of Wikipedia over the useage of such images on the front page. The lack of an image to me to help illustrate the lead is a complete and utter disrepect to the subject matter. Either let articles have a stab with the fairuse image, or don't nominate it at all. It's not fair when Avatar: the Last Airbender got the OK to use a fairuse image on the front page, when other works like Scooby-Doo were imageless (or in this case, there was a fight over which image to use). Thank god Excel Saga had Nabeshin to save the day. --293.xx.xxx.xx 11:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I do respect your opinion, this is not a nomination for front page status, but a nomination for featured article status. Many featured articles on Wikipedia have only fair-use images. Madlax, for example, is a featured article within the anime and manga project that has only fair use images in it. --AutoGyro 13:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well, guess my objection can be slightly modified to the point of "Lack of Images." Howabout that? Theirs a lack of images period. It could be helped with say, a cosplay of Lupin III (Nabeshin doesn't count).
 * Comment: I added a few more images. I did add Shinichi Watanabe's image to the article because he is the director of the 1999 television special Fujiko's Unlucky Days, which gives the article a few more images and one image in the public domain. At any rate, while images are a part of Featured article criteria, the criteria do not state whether or not the images cannot all be fair use images, just that if they are, they must include proper tags and fair use rationales! Thanks for your vote and I hope you can contribute to the article and help on with its continued improvement :) --AutoGyro 05:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I personally don't like articles about cartoon shows, but if you're going to have them, this is what they should be. BenB4 10:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That's some of the points I see need addressing. I was going to bring it up in peer review but it's archived, so I might as well do it here. Again, the article is good, but not so sure it should be featured.--Nohansen 13:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article is good, it's definitely good, but I'm not sure if it has what it takes to become featured.
 * It's not stable. AutoGyro may have jumped the gun when he nominate for Featured Status, since he is still tinkering with the article.
 * Too many images. Most of them are decorative, serving no actual purpose. The covers don't belong here, but in the article for the movie they represent. There's no need for separate images of each character, when I know there's images (like this one) that includes the whole cast. And do we really need a photo of Nabeshin?
 * Poor organization. Much of the article is dumped under "Adaptations." But the manga series are the source material for the TV series, films and musical; they don't belong in adaptations. Same with "video games" and "music," "music" is not an adaptation of anything. "Legal issues" is a one-paragraph section. Either expand it or work it into another section.
 * Troubles with the writing. This problem stems from the poor organization. Here's some examples:
 * Following Lupin vs the Clone, which was released on December 16, 1978. The first paragraph of "Animated theatrical features" goes off on a the various titles for the film but no release date is given until the second paragraph (when writing of a different movie)
 * In a tradition that began in 1989 with the television special Bye Bye Liberty Crisis, every summer since then featured a new 90 minute Lupin III television special that would air on NTV at 9:03[40] on Friday evening, usually in the last week of July or the first week of August (Bye-Bye Liberty Crisis and Seven Days Rhapsody diverted from that trend, however). This paragraph, really one sentence, doesn't flow well. It should read of how Bye Bye Liberty Crisis air in 1989, of the specials that follow and how NTV decided to turn the specials into an annual event.
 * Not including The Secret Files, The Secret Files 2 - Sound Collection and Lupin III: Trailers Collection '71 - '95 as they were only compilations of previously produced materials, only two Lupin III features were released as OVAs. If they're not OVA's, why open the section with this info?
 * "English language licensing and release information" opens with "In 2002..." I'm not sure, but does that mean no Lupin reach North America prior to 2002? I honestly don't know but, if there was Lupin before 2002, this is a strange way to start the section.
 * The third and final television series It is the third, but how do we know it's the last one? "And final" it's redundant. And on the Lupin in Space series, isn't "short-lived" used to describe series that actually made it to air but were cancelled shortly after?
 * No reception section. Articles need a reception section. Details on the series popularity, longevity and critical acclaim or dissaproval.
 * Comment: Thank you very much for your suggestions! I took many of them and applied them into the article. As for the photo of Nabeshin, I added it because he is the director of Fujiko's Unlucky Days and 293.xx.xxx.xx objected based on the article not having many pictures and no non-fair use images. --AutoGyro 19:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Object. For the same reasons as article candidates/Dungeons %26 Dragons&diff=prev&oldid=144041920I did here, but this article is even worse: all refs seem to be online. Go check out some of those, when you are done, I am sure the article will be much better (or just skim Google Print, that works surprisingly well often enough :D). Good density of citaitons currently, but poor quality :( Another appearance of Shinichi Watanabe on front page? I guess we have no choice... sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Another appearance of Shinichi Watanabe on front page? Whouldn't the ideal image for a front page appearance be a photo of Monkey Punch, the creator of the series? I know Nabeshin directed a TV special, but c'mon! How about Hayao Miyazaki, who directed Castle of Cagliostro? Even Osamu Dezaki is a worthy candidate. This is not a nomination for front page status, there's no use worrying about the front page image just yet.--Nohansen 03:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose, 1c. I can't find anything to convince me that Giovanni di Chiara and Luis Cruz are reliable sources; their websites look like "guy with a computer".  SEVEN infoboxes?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.