Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/M-185 (Michigan highway)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ucucha 03:11, 12 December 2011.

M-185 (Michigan highway)

 * Nominator(s):  Imzadi 1979  →   02:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC); Mitch32(Never support those who think in the box) 02:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because it is a truly unique state highway in Michigan. It is the only state highway in the United States where cars are not allowed, and until a few years ago, it had never had an automobile accident. Only pedestrians, bicyclists or equestrians use the roadway around Mackinac Island, Michigan. This is article has been a collaboration of sorts with, who is co-nominating it with me.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Jesus Christ, its been two years since I've been here, when Tropical Storm Marco (1990) was promoted, and I've been drooling for a while to get back to FAC, but have had nothing to nominate. Finally, after persistent nagging of Imzadi, and me having taken a weekend vacation in Bennington, Vermont, I'm finally back. This article was a work in progress in 2008, that sort of died out, became active again in 2010, and finally now in 2011 is up for FAC. M-185 is my first time nominating a non-northeastern roadway for featured article status, considering all my other nominees have been in New York (or one in Rhode Island that ultimately failed.) Because my college schedule this week, after taking Thursday off, will be nuts, I'll try my best to get most of the stuff listed. Great to be back though. Mitch32(Never support those who think in the box) 02:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Be consistent in whether you provide locations for newspapers
 * FN 5: retrieval date?
 * FN 13: "pp. 28M+"?
 * FN 25, 26: page(s)? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All fixed except the last two bullet points: that article from The Detroit News spans several pages (28M, 30M and 31M), and the archive database does not indicate which of those three pages in the print edition contains the specific information. As for the other two footnotes, my copies of the articles lack page numbers; MDOT used to assemble a newsletter called Who's Talking about Michigan Transportation that includes photocopies of newspaper and magazine articles, usually without page citations. Until such time as a library that contains copies of the papers replies, I can't supply any page numbers for them.  Imzadi 1979  →   06:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I anticipate supporting; I reviewed this article for ACR back in 2008. It's been 3 years though, so I'll probably take another look before making it official. --Rschen7754 06:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I have looked over this article and offered suggestions for improvement beforehand, therefore I feel it meets the criteria. Dough 48 72  00:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose' see Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/M-185 (Michigan highway)/archive1 Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. see Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/M-185 (Michigan highway)/archive1 --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support with a minor change. The article is well written and is consistent with my recent trip/trek on about 2 miles of the highway.
 * "Independence Day weekend in 1986" - People outside the US may not know the date. Either link to the article or even better explain the date as July 4 or early July.  Royal broil  13:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All done. Mitch32(Never support those who think in the box) 18:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support and one comment to help the rest of the world, including us poor Brits, could you please link or gloss short ton and long ton. We only have one kind of ton, and the rest of the world doesn't have any <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  19:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Links added, thanks.  Imzadi 1979  →   20:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: Basic information seems to be missing from the lead; there is no clear indication given of where Mackinac Island is, what lake or sea it's in, what mainland town or city it's near, etc The map is unhelpful as it carries no indications of geographical location and could be of anywhere. I see a reference in the lead to the Lake Huron shoreline, but that's not enough. Please remember that most of your readers won't know where the Straits of Mackinack are, and they should not have to use links to other articles to find out. Links should be for pursuing additional detail, not for finding out basic facts. Brianboulton (talk) 22:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.  Imzadi 1979  →   22:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment from a co-nominator: I will be out of town with family for the American Thanksgiving holiday, and I will be offline starting on Tuesday morning as a result. I should be able to check back in while on the road in a few days, however should be able to deal with anything related to the article in my absence.  Imzadi 1979   →   02:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Has there been an image review? Ucucha (talk) 15:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not as far as I'm aware. <FONT FACE="Poor Richard" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT><FONT FACE="Georgia" SIZE="-1" COLOR="black">32(Never support those who think in the box)</FONT> 21:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Image review Otherwise, images appear unproblematic, captions are fine. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:18, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Cycling_(road)_pictogram.svg: description doesn't seem to mesh with claimed licensing, can you double-check this?
 * I just commented out the portal link, so that image no longer appears in the article. I'll ping the cycling people to alert them to the issue though.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments from —
 * Lede
 * "a popular tourist destination on the Lake Huron side of the Straits of Mackinac" — is "a popular tourist destination" really necessary?
 * "and is accessible from elsewhere only by passenger ferry" — tighten by removing "from elsewhere"
 * "and Lake Shore Road everywhere else" — "everywhere" isn't very professional, but that's only my opinion
 * "Until 2005, it was the only state highway without any automobile accidents." — needs clarification; was it the only state highway in Michigan to not have any automobile accidents, or was it the only one in the United States?


 * Route description
 * "the generally accepted starting point is at the mile 0 wooden marker" — this sounds a bit strange; shouldn't it read "wooden mile 0 marker"?
 * "originally a U.S. Coast Guard station, operated by the MISPC" — slightly distracting details
 * "The highway uses wooden, not metal" — change to something like "The highway uses wooden markers instead of metal..." or something like that. IMO, that sounds better than the current wording
 * "a network of roadways important to the country's economy, defense, and mobility" — slightly distracting details here again
 * "according to an article in The Grand Rapids Press" — this is similar to the "author says" problem. If you cite it, there's no need to say that.

 HurricaneFan 25  19:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've fixed most of the comments, pardoning the first one, the US Coast Guard and the last two. I want to defer to Imzadi1979 on the rest. <FONT FACE="Poor Richard" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT><FONT FACE="Georgia" SIZE="-1" COLOR="black">32(Never support those who think in the box)</FONT> 21:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In the past, we've been told in previous FACs to explain the significance of an NHS listing, which is the exact details that you asked to be removed, HurricaneFan. As for the description of Mackinac Island, I feel it's needed to put the location in perspective. I have to say that I'm leaving that in the article for that reason. The sources either do one of two things: M-185 is the only state highway without cars (car accidents) in the US, or they omit a geographic restriction on the statuses. As for the others, either Adam or I have addressed them in some fashion. Thanks for the review!  Imzadi 1979  →   22:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments from Floydian
 * Resolved issues moved to Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/M-185 (Michigan highway)/archive1 -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  03:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Overall, the article is excellently sourced, comprehensive, and just about ready for that featured status... But there are a lot of grammatical nuances. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  01:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, a series of edits has covered this suggested changes. The only thing that wasn't addressed in some fashion was the inflation-adjusted numbers, because there is some debate over using the templates for that with capital expenses. (The text is there, but commented out waiting for a resolution of the issue.)  Imzadi 1979  →   03:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - Everything looks good, and all the grammatical issues I had are now resolved. As I cannot find any issues to deter me otherwise, I support the promotion of this article. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  03:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Support - I've re-looked through the article and don't see anything worth opposing over or commenting on. --Rschen7754 04:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


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