Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/M-28 (Michigan highway)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 04:04, 17 July 2008.

M-28 (Michigan highway)

 * ''Nominator(s): Admrb♉ltz, Imzadi1979

I'm nominating this article for featured article because it is one of the best written road articles I have come upon, all its media is free use, and loaded onto commons, and it already had its peer review and has GA and A class status. Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 07:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Article stats:
 * Imzadi1979 193
 * Bkonrad 6
 * Bigturtle 6

Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Generally, one of the top contributors to the article will nominate it. You should suggest it on the talk page to them. —Giggy 08:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, I just didnt want to be accused of WP:CANVASing. -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 08:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I, as the primary contributor, was planning to nominate the article in about a week's time after I complete moving into a new apartment and have Internet access at home more than on my cell phone. My participation here may be a little sporadic, but I have no objections to proceeding as other roads editors can/will watch this forum when I can't. Imzadi1979 (talk) 13:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments Gary King ( talk ) 16:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "M-28 MDOT" – comma needed?
 * "The major reason given behind rerouting M-28 along CR 480 was cost." &rarr; "Cost was the major reason given behind rerouting M-28 along CR 480."


 * Updated. -- Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 18:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments Sources look good. Great to see an article on a road I've driven a lot (we used to vacation in the UP). Links all checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments Zeagler (talk) 19:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "M-28 provides a major routing for Canadian traffic along the south shore of Lake Superior." – It provides a route for American traffic, too. (I didn't see many Canadian license plates on M-28 during my trips back and forth to MTU.)  Maybe drop the "for Canadian traffic" phrase.
 * Maybe wikilink the first instance of each route (not counting the infobox and lead)?
 * The source used specifically mentions the Canadian traffic aspect of the route. I reworded the sentence to include Michigan traffic. I've seen a lot of Canadian trucks passing through my hometown of Negaunee, so I think it does a disservice to the article to remove this aspect of the highway completely. I'm checking on wikilinking to make sure I didn't miss any the last time I went through the article. Imzadi1979 (talk) 22:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good now. It just was a little jarring to see only Canadian traffic mentioned in the opening sentence of the Route description section, as if MDOT built the road to appease Canada or something. ;)  I brought up the wikilinking because I started reading the article without first looking at the infobox and US 41 wasn't linked.  I think that's the only one.  Couldn't hurt to do it. Zeagler (talk) 22:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be good now. I wikilinked first instance per section. Imzadi1979 (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure Seney National Wildlife Refuge warrants its own section. Instead, I would append this to the Seney Stretch section: "The Seney Stretch forms the northern border of the Seney National Wildlife Refuge, a managed wetland in Schoolcraft County that contains the Strangmoor Bog National Natural Landmark within its boundaries." —Zeagler (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Imzadi1979 (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I still think there's too much information about the NWR there. All the reader needs in this article is the fact that it borders M-28 and a little blurb justifying that mention, which I tried to cover with my summary above. —Zeagler (talk) 23:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reviewing only image licensing: looks good. --NE2 12:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliancolton (talk • contribs) 17:54, July 14, 2008
 * Comments
 * A good, well-researched article. The prose could use some work, thought. Some random examples:
 * As well, M-28 carries two memorial highway designations along the routing. Remove "As well". A good thing to keep in mind is that you should write using as few words as possible without changing the meaning of the sentence. It improves prose flow.
 * The western end has been expanded twice to different locations on the Wisconsin border. "Expanded" &rarr; "Extended"
 * M-28 begins on the west end at a signalized intersection with US 2 in Wakefield. Would be better as "In the west, M-28 begins at a signalized intersection with US 2 in Wakefield."
 * In the sentence, West of Munising is a ferry dock offering transport to the Grand Island National Recreation Area, and at Munising, one has easy access to Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore., "One has easy access" would be better as "there is easy access".
 * In the "Seney Stretch" section, put the main on the top of the section.
 * Constructed as a part of M-25 when that designation was used along today's M-28 east of US 41, the Seney Stretch is 25 miles (40 km)[16] of "straight-as-an-arrow highway"[17] across the Great Manistique Swamp, "though others claim it's 50 miles (80 km), only because it seems longer." This sentence could be worded better.
 * South of Hulbert is Hulbert Lake. A six-word sentence? Merge it, or word it better.
 * Format the dates in the history section differently, per WP:MOSDATE.
 * Also, is there any history information other than just the alignment and realignments of the road? Were there any prior turnpikes? Were there ever any significant occurrences or landmarks?

I will look into copy editing per your suggestions, but my Internet access is quite limited as I indicated above. Maybe the original nominator will tackle a copy edit. I think the main tag belongs where it is because the text the immediately follows it is related to that article, not the stuff above it. Also, turnpikes are an East Coast thing. Michigan has never really had any, especially in the Upper Peninsula. Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding the main thing, the template documentation says, This template is used below the heading of the summary, to link to the sub-article that has been (or will be) summarised. Unless I'm missing something, "below the heading" means at the top of the section. It's not a big deal, though. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The positioning of the main tag is the result of my recommendation that the SNWL section be cut down and merged with the previous section, as the only part relevant to this article is the fact that it borders M-28. The rest is extraneous, and in fact is just copied from the lead of SNWL.  Imzadi1979 merely removed the heading in an attempt to address my concern. —Zeagler (talk) 01:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Closing notes: Ten days in to this FAC, the nominator has not edited the article during the FAC, and has a total of two edits to the article, made on July 7th, before the FAC was listed.  Imzadi1979 has twice indicated that the timing of this nomination was bad for him/her because of a move, and that s/he has limited internet access.  This is why the WP:FAC instructions say: "Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the FAC process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article prior to nomination. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make an effort to address objections promptly."  I'm closing the nomination so that Imzadi1979 can present the nomination when the timing is better for him/her.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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