Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/M-28 Business (Ishpeming–Negaunee, Michigan)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 22:13, 25 January 2010.

M-28 Business (Ishpeming–Negaunee, Michigan)

 * Nominator(s): Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because the article is about the last highway in my hometown that isn't already an FA. I feel that the article has been ready for a while, but now I'm ready to nominate it. Even if it doesn't pass, the article will be improved by the suggestions and comments generated at this forum. Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

**Reference 18 - 1940-Present. - present should be lowercase
 * Comments Only one major issue, the rest minor -
 * Reference 9 is dead.
 * 1.2 - Here traffic along the highway can view the towers of the Cliffs Shaft Mine Museum. The museum is dedicated to telling the story of underground iron ore mining in the region. - combine sentences
 * running next to the Negaunee City Hall.[4] City hall was built in 1914–15 at a time when the city's population was increasing and iron production was peaking. - combine sentences
 * It seems odd to me that you describe AADT when there's a link to the article describing it right there.
 * History (the major issue)- Most of the information comes from maps. Are there no news articles / other types of sources available?
 * From this point on, BUS M-28 has run solo its entire length. - run solo? Sounds weird.
 * Major jct table - former should be capitalized

Rschen7754 06:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Replies:
 * Ref 18 follows the format given by the source. I can change it easy enough.
 * Since Ref 9 only verifies the once sentence there, I've contacted a friend who is the high school librarian for assistance at finding a newspaper clipping to replace it. School will start soon, so I should have a replacement source for the opening of the new high school, and its history shortly.
 * I see no reason not to give a simple explanation in the article rather than force a reader to click a link.
 * Of the 3 paragraphs of the history, 2 of them are sourced to non-maps. The ROW files are technically called maps, but they are referenced here for the dates of land acquisition for the M-35 location, much akin to the jurisdictional transfers involved with the 1999 relocation in Ishpeming. I don't see the issue here.
 * Any other comments are appreciated, as always. Imzadi1979 (talk) 07:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All issues mentions should be addressed. Please advise if they aren't. Imzadi1979 (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support issues resolved. --Rschen7754 02:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments - I have a few concerns before I can support this for FA:
 * 1) The lead of the article appears to be short. Can a little bit of additional information be added?
 * 2) In the Traffic counts section, is it necessary to have a sentence defining what AADT is? The AADT article takes care of this need.
 * 3) "MDOT quotes 6,300 vehicles passing through in 2006" sounds awkward.
 * 4) Remove the "to" banners in the Major intersections table.
 * 5) Throughout the article, there are areas that need commas added to separate clauses, such as after "here" in the sentence 'Here traffic along the highway can view the towers of the Cliffs Shaft Mine Museum; the museum is dedicated to telling the story of underground iron ore mining in the region." ---Dough4872 22:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Replies
 * 1) I will work on this after I take a break this evening for some company to visit. It shouldn't take long.
 * 2) As I explained above, there's no reason the section can't explain what AADT is instead of forcing a reader to click a link. I'd agree if the explanation given were longer than a single sentence, but in this case, that sentences gives the reader context without forcing him to divert into another article for the explanation. Other recent FAs provide a explanation of what this term means, which is good for the non-roadgeek reader. What we as roadgeeks assume is common knowledge isn't always.
 * 3) Changed.
 * 4) I placed the to banners in the list because there is a photo showing them in use. IMHO, it would be strange and inconsistent to have a photograph showing them in use and graphics in a table that omit them.
 * 5) I'm scanning through the article for these. If I miss any, please feel free to add them. Imzadi1979 (talk) 00:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Issues addressed. ---Dough4872 19:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * http://www.negaunee.k12.mi.us/nps_web/facil.htm deadlinked
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. (As a side note, great to see the Hunt's Guide to the UP being used as a source! It's a great book.) Ealdgyth - Talk 15:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I found that it was deadlinked when I nominated the article... I noted above though that I'm working on finding a replacement dead tree source now that the school district is back in session this week. Imzadi1979 (talk) 18:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The school district redesigned their website at some point, and I've found the new URL for the page that replaced the one in the original reference. The article has been updated accordingly. Imzadi1979 (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support images look good. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Imzadi1979 (talk) 13:25, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support - Good article. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 03:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Image review
 * The images in the table in M-28_Business (Ishpeming–Negaunee, Michigan) need to be linked to satisfy attribution requirements. This is assuming they are not in the public domain, which they probably are. Still, if you could link them please, at least at this FAC?
 * File:Michigan 28 Business (Ishpeming) map.png probably ought to have a source for what this map was based off of. Otherwise, I would think it would be considered original research.
 * Rest looks good. NW ( Talk ) 04:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The highway shields are not supposed to be linked based on WP:ALT. The first four at least fall under pd-textlogo. The last two are PD.
 * File:To plate.svg
 * File:Michigan 480 Marquette County.svg
 * File:Michigan 494 Marquette County.svg
 * File:Michigan 581 Marquette County.svg
 * File:US 41.svg
 * File:M-28.svg
 * The source is the freely-available GIS as linked on the map. Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All right, images look good. NW ( Talk ) 17:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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