Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Magdalena Neuner/archive3


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ucucha 14:29, 10 September 2011.

Magdalena Neuner

 * Nominator(s):  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 19:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it meets all featured article criteria. The article is a good article and has been nominated twice before (here and here) over one year ago. Work has been done since then on the page's structure and prose, and it now has 60+ sources which are not the sport's governing body, a concern previously. EnemyOfTheState undefined 19:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment If this article is already a good article, why does it need to be a feature? (just a thought). Mike  2  8  9  21:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a question of "needing" to be featured. However, featured articles are recognised as examples of Wikipedia's best work; GA status may be a step along the way. Editors are entitled to see whether their work matches up to the tough FA criteria. Brianboulton (talk) 00:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead: Sorry to be a hyphen-nerd, but "all-time", twice. "at ... at". The first could be "in". Comma after "mass start", I think (more than one "and" hanging around). The "also" could be removed: "As part of Germany's World Cup team, she has also won". The "also" here, is it needed? -> "Neuner has established herself as one of the fastest cross-country skiers in biathlon, but has also been noted for her volatile shooting performances in the standing position, often at the expense of better results." And the "but": is it really a contrastive to the preceding clause? 'Tis a little peacockish in the lead; I hope authoritative sources are provided later in the article for these very positive claims. Tony   (talk)  10:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. I made the changes, although I'm not sure about the first "all-time" hyphen, because it's not used as an adjective.  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 12:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Comment: On the hyphen issue, "all-time" requires a hyphen only when used as an adjective, not otherwise (as in the first line). The same is true for "two-time". I have made the necessary adjustments in the article. Brianboulton (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Image review
 * Captions that aren't complete sentences should not end in periods. Also, while not required it would be nice to have more captions that don't use the construction "Neuner + -ing"
 * I removed the periods and reworded three captions.
 * The trophies and medals are three-dimensional works, and thus have copyright independent of pictures taken of them. What is the copyright status of each of the trophies/medals pictured? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:51, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be very surprised if the designs of the sportswoman award and the crystal globes had any international copyright restrictions; they aren't that well known to go to such troubles. The Olympic medals might be a different story, but I don't think so either. There is even a whole category for them on Commons: commons:Category:2010 Winter Olympics medals.  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 10:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Comment - link check. No broken external links, 1 DAB-link to "Oberhof" (needs disambig). Earwig's tool shows no results (a deeper source check was not done). GermanJoe (talk) 08:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oberhof is done.-- Edgars2007  (Talk/Contributions) 08:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments – Couple of quick ones from the lead; don't have time for any more at the moment...
 * "With 24 World Cup wins, Neuner is ranked all-time third for career victories on the Biathlon World Cup tour." Flip the order of "all-time" and "third"?
 * Brianboulton made this change, related to the all-time hyphen question. I guess it's more a question of personal preference than grammar?  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 17:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The second Biathlon World Championships link looks like a repeat link to the event, but really goes to that year's version. Moving the link to "first appearance" would make this clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giants2008 (talk • contribs)
 * Done.  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 17:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


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