Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mahavira/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2017.

Mahavira

 * Nominator(s): -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  03:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

This article is about the 24th Tirthankara of Jainism, who is of great importance in Indian history. It must be featured because he is leader of one of the primary religious movements in Ancient India. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  03:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Pankaj, I completely agree that this is a very important article, and should be brought to a high standard. But the article is quite far from FA standards at the moment. Even after a brief look I see the following problems. The entire article is less than 2000 words of prose, slightly more than 10kb of text. Most important articles are four or five times as long, because there is rarely a dearth of material. The lede is far from adequate. Despite substantial effort on your part and that of others, the article still makes heavy use of Jain terminology, and is sometimes unable to step away from the POV of a believer. And though I am not an expert, I think the sources are light on solid academic sourcing. I'm not suggesting any particular course of action, but be prepared for some harsh critique. If I did a full review, I'd likely oppose, for all of these reasons. Vanamonde (talk) 13:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd like to improve it and have it pass FA. This article might not be as long as some other articles, but it seems long enough for the subject and meeting the FA criteria as given. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  07:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Very far from being FA status at present. The article uncritically repeats Jain beliefs and mythology as fact: "Mahavira is often called the founder of Jainism, but this was not the case because the Jain tradition recognizes his predecessors and he is considered the 24th Tirthankara" etc. For this reason I have concerns about its current rating as a GA, let alone its nomination as FA. Much work is needed, I'm afraid. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Coordinator comment: Given an early oppose and another reviewer with major concerns, I think this was something of a premature nomination. I would recommend getting someone to take a look at this, and work on some of the issues away from FAC and then renominating after at least the usual two-week waiting period. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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