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Manos Arriba

 * Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Although Rosanna Tavarez has largely fallen into obscurity, her Spanish-language extended play Manos Arriba holds a special place for me. I discovered the EP through the iTunes Store back in 2008 and I likely connected with it because I was exploring Latin music while taking Spanish classes in high school.

Tavarez rose to prominence as a member of the girl group Eden's Crush, and after working as a television host, she recorded Latin alternative music under the stage name Chana. She described the EP as "trop-electro-hip-pop", and critics have discussed the different genres and styles present in the songs. After transitioning away from music, Tavarez is currently more focused on dance, which she does with the stage name La Dansa Dansa, as well as teaching.

I created this article back in 2017 and it received a very helpful GAN review from. I completely rewrote the article this year after finally getting my hands on a physical copy of the EP. I would be very surprised if anyone else has heard of this EP, but I hope you find the article to be engaging. I would greatly appreciate any feedback on how to further improve the article. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

NØ

 * Image review - pass: The cover art comfortably passes the fair-use criteria at the very small size of 9KB. However, Discogs is an unreliable source so I would suggest replacing it with iTunes, AllMusic or a primary source.--NØ 19:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the very fast review! I have replaced the Discogs link with a reference to the primary source. Aoba47 (talk) 19:39, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Apple Music gives the release date as January 1, 2008. Is it incorrect in this case and if so is it known on what day in March it was released?
 * This is a very good question, and I appreciate that you have asked that. I had use the January 1, 2008 release date in earlier draft of the article, but I could not find any other citations to support this. I have updated the bundled citation to include a Billboard source, which directly names the release date as sometime in March.
 * I trust that over the Apple Music source, especially given that was the time of the release party and the promotional push on the iTunes Store. While that kind of delay is plausible for an independent project, it seems off to me. This citation from Diario Libre seems to indicate that the EP was released on March 25, 2008 (as in the article, it says it was released "today" which I would assume means the publication date).
 * I am toying with the idea of adding a note to this part, which would mention both the Apple Music and Diario Libre dates. I am uncertain if the Diario Libre citation is strong enough by itself to support the more specific release date as I just find it odd that other sources do not use this more specific date. What do you think? Apologies for the length of this reply. Aoba47 (talk) 19:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This was more of a clarification question on my behalf but I really appreciate you going the extra mile and looking at some more sources. I think it would be fine as it is, although I can't think of any reason why a note would be harmful either. I'll leave this to your preference.
 * Thank you for the response. Apologies for going way over-board. I probably thought about it just way, way too much. I will do some potential drafts of a note in my sandbox over the next few days and see if that kind of thing is appropriate for the article. Aoba47 (talk) 05:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Per Template:Infobox_album, should the word "Productions" be dropped from the label in the infobox?
 * Removed. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "She wrote and produced all five songs with Chan, and recorded them in Los Angeles, including at his personal recording studio" - Nitpick-y but this could be "She wrote and produced all five songs with Chan, and recorded them in Los Angeles, at locations including his personal recording studio"
 * I used your suggestion as it is much better than my original wording. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure the last sentence of the lead's second paragraph is currently demonstrated by the Critical reception section. I was confused about this because a Ctrl + F search for "Latin American" turned up just the one mention in the lead. Is it in some other section?
 * It should have been Latin rather than Latin American. This topic is covered in the second paragraph of the "Sound" subsection. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The sentence that begins with "Tavarez rejected their offers" and ends with "did not have any vocal training" could be split into two parts.
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The name of Eden's Crush's debut album, Popstars, should probably be mentioned in the prose to avoid an WP:EASTEREGG
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "The iTunes Store featured the EP as the "Best of the Week" in iTunes Latino" - Should it be "on" instead of "in"?
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "For these performance" - Maybe "performance" should be plural
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Falling James appreciated that the EP's levity" - Maybe "that" should be removed here
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * That's it from me. It is truly remarkable how comprehensive, elaborate and engaging this article is given that the EP did not chart. Amazing work!--NØ 14:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review! I greatly appreciate it and you have helped to improve the article by a great deal. I have left a response to your question on the release dates. It is a more annoying point as the release date is not super clear, likely because it is an independent project, but I have proposed adding a note to hopefully clarify this point, but I want to get your feedback prior to doing so. Thank you for your kind words! I was pleasantly surprised to find so much coverage on an EP that not only did not chart, but was released independently. I have a soft spot for this EP so I hope it will lead to some readers discovering it in the future. Apologies for being so lengthy in my responses. Aoba47 (talk) 19:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support--NØ 04:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 05:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Moise

 * Lead: "Chana was initially a member of the girl group Eden's Crush and following their disbandment, she worked as a host on music television shows and decided to record Spanish-language music after meeting producer Marthin Chan." Consider breaking into two sentences (feels long).
 * Agreed. It is long and dense with information. I have broke it up into two sentences and I would be more than happy to do further revisions if necessary Aoba47 (talk) 17:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "She had previously rejected offers from executives from Latin music record labels to seek out a career in more alternative genres of music rather than conventional Latin pop." From the context we can get the meaning, but grammatically it could be read as "offers to seek out" or "rejected in order to seek out" (I understand it's the second of these). Moisejp (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Normally "alternative" is treated as a single genre, and "alternative genres" seems like an unusual usage that raised my eyebrows at least. But I haven't read the whole article yet, not sure if you had a special reason to make it plural. Moisejp (talk) 04:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for both notes. I agree that the wording is unnecessarily ambiguous and I have removed the "alternative" wording to avoid connections with more specific genres and styles of music. Aoba47 (talk) 17:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Background: "was frequently approached by Latin music record executives". Is "frequently" correct here? It seems surprising that record executives would approach her when she had only sung at karaoke. Was she dazzlingly beautiful, or did they all see her karaoke performances, or might you have more information for why record executives "frequently" approached her? (Even "occasionally" would seem surprising without more information.) Moisejp (talk) 05:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comment. Upon further examination, I misread the citation and I apologize for that. When I look back at the source, she says that she was approached by "top producers in the Latino music industry" and I get the sense it was a one-time thing. She says the producers approached her because of her appearance, and I'd imagine her being in Miami also helped with this encounter. I have revised these parts in the lead and article. I can remove that part from the lead if it is being given too much weight. Let me know if this part needs further revision and apologies again for my mistake with this part. Aoba47 (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Although initially reluctant to discuss the group in interviews,[4] Tavarez was later more open about it,[2][5] and said: 'I used to be like, oh, no, let’s not talk about that. Not now. It was a unique opportunity, and I ran with it.'" This doesn't seem to me really relevant to the story of Manos Arriba. But if you do want to mention it, I suggest you paraphrase the quote. Using a quote here gives extra weight to the detail that I'd argue isn't warranted. Moisejp (talk) 05:10, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I have removed that sentence. I had initially thought it would add to the greater context of Tavarez wanting to move away from what she viewed as conventional pop and make her own name, but I fully admit that is pushing it. Aoba47 (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Along with her television work, Tavarez was also signed to SESAC and Warner Chappell Music as a songwriter." Do you have more information about how she got signed as a songwriter? I noticed she didn't write any of the songs of the Eden's Crush album, and there is no indication in the article about how she may have developed her songwriting skills, and impressed people at SESAC and Warner Chappell Music enough to be hired by them. I confess I don't know exactly what's involved in being hired at a song publishing company, but it seems like a big achievement that not just anybody, even someone in a successful girl's group, could necessarily easily do. Moisejp (talk) 05:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I wish I had more context for this information. The citation references it without any context and I was unable to find further information about it. I cannot even say when she signed this deal. I have removed the sentence from the article as I do not think it is really adding any information about the EP. When I originally worked on this article, Tavarez's article was a redirect to Eden's Crush and this kind of information would seem more appropriate in her article than in this one. It does seem like a big achievement, especially when you factor in Tavarez seeminyl did not have any prior songwriting credits and her biggest musical achievement prior to this was being in a girl group created on a reality television show and that disbanded after one year. It is an odd one. Aoba47 (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

More to follow soon! :-) Moisejp (talk) 05:27, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your help. Apologies for misreading one of the sources. It was something that I misread back in 2017 and I should have double-checked to make sure it was accurate as like you have already said, it is a rather extraordinary thing to happen to someone. I hope you are having a great week so far! Aoba47 (talk) 18:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. Whenever I nominate something for FAC I always always go through every single citation for a final check that the cited information is accurate. It's a good practice. :-) Moisejp (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll continue my review soon. Moisejp (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Continuing:
 * "Chana and Chan wrote and produced all five songs on the extended play (EP) Manos Arriba." This feels a bit sudden to me. Maybe it would be better to mention that their bonding led them to start writing some songs together. Possibly don't even mention EP or the title in this paragraph, since it seems at this stage in the timeline it was all about their (exploratory?) collaborative songwriting. Likely they didn't know how long it was all going to take or how many songs they'd end up with (unless it happens your sources say they already had some kind of clear vision they wanted to make an EP). Moisejp (talk) 04:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Or if you feel the narrative in this paragraph needs to specifically mention the Manos Arriba EP (to not lose the reader?) another option could be to make reference to something like "songs that would eventually comprise the Manos Arriba EP". Moisejp (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this up. I have attempted to copy-edit this section to make it more cohesive, but please let me know if further work is necessary. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Is there any info in the sources about why she/they only released five out of the eighteen songs, and she/they chose to release an EP instead of a full album? (Or any information about the outtakes?) There could be lots of reasons, and I'm not saying it's necessarily surprising, just curious whether there might be more info about that side of things. Moisejp (talk) 05:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I could not find an exact reason for this decision. The citation presents it more as a fact and does not follow-up with any quotes from Chana or Chan. I only found one citation that mentioned this so I could not find further details or explanations elsewhere either. If I had to give my personal opinion about it, I'd imagine that it would be cheaper and easier to release and promote an EP as an independent artist, but that's just pure speculation on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "In a 2008 interview with Univision, she discussed wanting to release a full album, which would include some songs from Manos Arriba". This was after she had already released Manos Arriba that she said this, I presume? It may not be clear.
 * That is a good point. I have reworded that sentence and moved it down to the part on the EP's release as it seems to make more sense there. Aoba47 (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "but said creating music without support from a record label was more challenging". I can guess some why of she may have meant, but did she happen to give more details about this?
 * The only explanation I can find in the citation is that it takes more time. I have added that to the article, but I know that it is not really detailed information so apologies for that. I would imagine that her difficulty was with having to do everything herself (i.e. scheduling time to record music in the studio, hiring and working with people on the personnel end, etc.), but she does not go into any real detail about that (at least from what I have seen and read). A lot of the questions I have seen focused more on her transition from Eden's Crush to Latin music, her insecurity with music, or her dance background. Aoba47 (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "she talked about working with Thom Russo to expand her sound". Are there any more details available about what she meant by this? She wanted to explore new genres, or she wanted to be more creative with her sound within her current genres, or possibly something else? Moisejp (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have expanded this section. I clarified that at least according to Chana, she was already in the process of recording an album with Thom Russo (that in retrospective must have stalled or had other issues) and I added more to her reasoning for this statement. The "more layered" bit is a bit generic I admit, but I think it at least helps to indicate something. Her statement about having more resources provides the clearest explanation to me. Aoba47 (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aoba, I'll finish off this review v. soon, thanks for your patience! Moisejp (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the update and no worries. Take as much time as you need. I know that this is a busy time of year for a lot of people, and this nomination is still relatively new at this point. I appreciate your review so far and I am looking forward to your suggestions in the future. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 23:20, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "harder, funkier and more readily danceable ska backing": In the source, is this being compared to something else (funkier, harder, more danceable than...)? It feels a little incomplete.
 * Thank you for pointing this out for me. The citation is contrasting the production with Chana's vocals, which he describes as "sunny melodies". Aoba47 (talk) 23:57, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "When asked about the reception to the EP's sound, Chana responded that various Latin communities responded to it differently as they had different definitions of mainstream and underground music". The first part of this feels a bit forced and incomplete to me. What was the context in which she was asked that? If the context were clearer, I think it would go a long way. But also Chana's response seems unclear, maybe again due to the lack of context. Additionally, the sentence as a whole also feels a bit removed from what comes before it; I'm not saying there's absolutely no relationship, but the flow of the story seems a bit disjointed. In sum, I guess I'm asking if ideally there could be more given to make the context of the question and answer clearer, and also to fit this piece better into the story as a whole. Maybe there might be other addable details in González or from other sources that you already use, to make that link and flow stronger, if possible. :-) Moisejp (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comment and question. I completely understand your point. This is Chana's full quote from the source: “Here in New York, there’s a different definition of arty, and people think it’s too commercial. In Miami, it’s not mainstream enough. But in L.A., it’s just right.” This quote follows this sentence: "Subtle differences between cities with large Latin populations also affect how her music is perceived." I am not sure if this part is particularly useful or beneficial to the article so I ended up removing because I could not find a way to clearly engage this information with the rest of the article, but I am more than open to recommendations. Aoba47 (talk) 00:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Just confirming "genres that Chana listened to as a child" (sorry, that's my edit from something a little different that you had) should not be something like "genres that Chana would have listened to as a child" or "that Burstein presumed Chana would have listened to as a child"? The source seems to be in Spanish, so I did not try to read it. :-) Moisejp (talk) 04:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I double-checked the citation and you are correct. She listened to these genres as a child, and it is something brought up in other citations. Thank you for the edit to this part (and to the rest of the article) as you have helped a great deal! Aoba47 (talk) 00:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * She never ultimately released a full album after Manos Arriba, did she? Do you have any sources saying so that you can cite? Right now the article talks about her working on an album with Thom Russo, but the reader is left to wonder whether that was realized.
 * I could not find any sources that explicitly said she never released a full album after Manos Arriba or that she did not release any music in general after the EP. I did add in two short sentences that discuss how Tavarez has transitioned away from music to solely focus on a dance career. That should help readers understand that the album did not happen and her music career is no longer ongoing. But, there are not any sources that provide the information you are asking for in your question. Aoba47 (talk) 19:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "an artist or a band who's on the cusp of success" feels like an unnecessary direct quote that would be better paraphrased. In general I'd argue overall you use still just a few too many direct quotes across the article, and if you could go through and cut out maybe a quarter of them throughout the article, it would flow more smoothly—especially ones that don't really add extra flavour, if you know what I mean.
 * I have paraphrased the part that you have mentioned. I have gone through the article to paraphrase some of the quotes, and I will likely go through it again in the near future to see if there is anything further I can do about this matter. I do have a tendency to over-quote things so it is always good to pass through a few times to separate what is really necessary from what is not. Aoba47 (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Levin interpreted the track as a "sarcastic imitation" of the practice,[7] while Gurza said it is treated with "mocking disdain"." I wonder if there's a way to combine both of these into one overarching paraphrased comment supported by both sources? This sentence also feels overly quote-y, partly in that what they are both saying seems at least somewhat similar.
 * Understandable. I have combined the sentences and paraphased the quotes. For whatever reason, when I first read these sources, I took them as meaning as slightly different things (i.e. Levin viewing it as more light-hearted than Gurza), but upon further reflection, I agree that they are pretty much saying the same thing. Aoba47 (talk) 19:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Chan uploaded a making of for the "Icaro" music video on August 13, 2008": On YouTube? Or where was it uploaded to?
 * It was YouTube. Apologies for missing that point. I have added it to the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 19:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "eclectic schedule": Are you sure "eclectic" ("deriving ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources") is the right word here? Do you mean something like "her schedule of eclectic performances" and if so, could "schedule" be removed altogether?
 * Fair point. I have revised this part to just "eclectic performances". Aoba47 (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "industry showcases": Is there anything you can wiki-link to here, or possibly add more context? Personally I don't have a clear idea what it means.
 * Fair question. Surpisingly, there is not a Wikipedia article on this type of event. I am surprised because it is rather common within the music industry, and I have run across it several times in my research on various singers. I have added a note to hopefully provide a clearer definition, with a source to support this information of course, as a wiki-link is not available (at least at this time). An industry showcase is basically when an up-and-coming artist does a private performance for people within the music industry to try and further develop their career. If you would like a video example, here is one of Britney Spears doing one back in 1998. To put it in the simpliest terms, it is a networking event. Please let me know if further clarification is necessary. Aoba47 (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Paragraph 2 of "Critical reception" begins with "Manos Arriba's production was the subject of praise" so I thought this was going to be a new topic from what is in paragraph 1. But I didn't notice any clear distinction about the kinds of stuff critics talked about in paragraph 1 and paragraph 2.
 * Fair enough. I collapse the two paragraphs into a single one. For whatever reason, I thought the first paragraph was more separate from the production angle (i.e. Latina calling it the best unkown EP, Ben-Yehuda focusing on the hooks and lyrics, and James appreciating that Chana did not "dumb down" her music and still made something that was more positive. Aoba47 (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I went back in and revised this further. For the first paragraph, I started with more general praise followed by two reviewers who focused on Chana and how she sold the music and then I separated the production praise into a separate paragraph. I felt rather lazy for just clumping everything into a single paragraph so I wanted to try and make it more engaging than that, but feel free to let me know if the separation is still not transparent or clear. Aoba47 (talk) 22:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

That's all for my first read-through. Moisejp (talk) 07:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments so far. I just wanted to let you know that I will respond to them later today if that is okay with you. Just wanted to let you know that I am aware of the more recent comments and will get to them when I have the opportunity to do so. Aoba47 (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for your review. I have addressed all of your points. I will do a few readthroughs of the article over the next few days to look through the quotes more closely to see if there is anything else I could paraphrase, but I wanted to get your assessment first. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the article, and I hope you have a Happy Holidays! Aoba47 (talk) 20:34, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Support – This article has improved a lot, the prose flows a lot better, and the storyline is more cohesive. One minor thing you could still look at is there are a small number of instances where people are mentioned just by their name and it would be good ideally to give them some kind of title to suggest their authority in the topic (critic? reviewer? even just writer? some other title as the case may be?)—these include Ayala Ben-Yehuda, Jordan Levin, Agustin Gurza. There may be one or two more, but if so it's easy for you to find them and remedy the situation. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 04:22, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the support and for your review. You have helped me to improve the article immensely and I greatly appreciate that. I had some very silly errors in that so apologies for that. Your edits were very helpful!
 * For the individuals you have pointed out above (i.e. Ayala Ben-Yehuda, Jordan Levin, Agustin Gurza), they are actually introduced upon their first mention in the article with their publications. I used their full names in their first mentions in subsequent sections as I thought it would be rather jarring to just use their last names after that, but I know that is also a common approach used by FA writers. I hope you are doing well and have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 04:27, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * "did not want to pursue a career in contentional Latin pop" - conventional?
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "For the beginning of March 2008, "No Me Mandes Flores" was the third most downloaded song on iTunes Latino" - it was the third most downloaded song of the "beginning of March"? Is there not a more precise timeframe for that stat? (see also where it appears in the body)
 * Unfortunately, I could not find more exact information about this statistic. It was only reported by one source, which uses the vague "early March" time, and I do not believe there are any records kept for iTunes charts so I cannot look back on it for further information. I considered looking through the Internet Archive, but I would need to have a link to find that kind of information if it is available at all. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Chana released a music video for the track "Icaro", which reviewers described as inspired by Chana's modern dance training" => "Chana released a music video for the track "Icaro", which reviewers described as inspired by her modern dance training"
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Eden's Crush disbanded after London-Sire Records closed in 2001.[2] In 2008, she told" - it's been quite a while since Tavarez was specifically mentioned, so maybe replace "she" with her name for total clarity.....?
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "through his mutual friends" - mutual friends are by definition friends to both parties, so "his mutual friends" doesn't make sense TBH
 * Revised. Tavarez met Chan because he had mutual friends with her husband so I have hopefully clarified that point, but let me know if it needs further revision. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "guitarist for the rock band Volumen Cero,[7][4] " - refs in wrong order
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "but later decided release an EP" => "but later decided to release an EP"
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Tommy Calle wrote" - who's he?
 * Revised. Let me know if this needs further revision. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Fonseca's "Te Mando Flores" ("I Send You Flower")" - flowers (plural), surely?
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "a man who does not paying attention" => "a man who does not pay attention"
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "In his verses, Malverde assumes" - maybe mention earlier that Malverde contributed to the EP, as this is the first mention and it's a bit "out of the blue"
 * Could you clarify this point for me? Malverde is only a featured artist on one song and did not contribute to the EP's recording, production, etc. so I am not sure how to introduce him earlier. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe change the sentence to something like "Rapper Malverde adds guest vocals to the track in which he assumes the role of a cat-caller"? Just saying "in his verses, Malverde does such-and-such" comes across like the reader was already aware that he had contributed to the EP, even though he hasn't been mentioned before -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:39, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. I have used your suggestion with a slight modification. Aoba47 (talk) 15:59, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "on iTunes Latino, the name of the store's Latin music section" => "on iTunes Latino, the store's Latin music section"
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Two singles – "No Me Mandes Flores" and "La Duda" – were released from Manos Arriba" - EP title should be in italics
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * La Duda" was selected - opening quote mark is missing
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * "Along with her U.S. performances, Chana did a show at the Hard Rock Cafe in Santo Domingo" - if it's not in the US, what country is Santo Domingo in? I personally wouldn't know without following the link
 * Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Think that's all I got - nice work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review and apologies for all of the very, very silly mistakes and typos that I had made in the article. I do have a quick question about the Malverde suggestion, and if possible, I would greatly appreciate either further clarification and a suggestion on how to better incorporate that information into the article. Hope you have a wonderful weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Aoba47 (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Source review – pass

 * Is chanamusica an official YouTube channel? If not, it's a WP:COPYVIO.
 * I believe it is her official YouTube channel, but I cannot find an official confirmation. Do you think I should remove it? I am leaning toward removing it, but I wanted to get your opinion on this matter first. Aoba47 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, an official account usually has something in channel info section - (social media) links or some introductory text, but I would understand if she didn't care enough to do that (given her low amount of subscribers). FrB.TG (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Since I cannot confirm if this is her official YouTube channel or not, I have removed it from the article. I have also removed Chan's YouTube reference for similar reasons, but also because the information is rather trivial. Aoba47 (talk) 21:09, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The Endgaget source was published on 26 March 2008, not 25.
 * On my end, it says that it is 25 March 2008. I have encountered sources before that change slightly depending on your time zone, etc. so this is likely one of those cases. What do you think I should do in cases like this one? Aoba47 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Since Yahoo! is an American company, I used a VPN to change to an American address, and it said 25 March so I would stick to that. FrB.TG (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Not sure if the "Made for each other" source by LA Times needs a subscription parameter since I could access it without having any kind of subscription.
 * I have removed the paramater. For whatever reason, it popped up when I first was accessing the source, but it does not appear anymore. Thank you for catching this for me. Aoba47 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It happens sometimes. In one of "my" articles recently, I encountered this issue where I could read an article from one device but would need a subscription to read on another. FrB.TG (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I also believe there is something where certain sites allow for a certain number of free articles per month (or for a set amount of time). Aoba47 (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * What makes Nochelatina.com a high-quality reliable source? FrB.TG (talk) 12:03, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I am using it for the interview so I believe it is reliable in that context. I am only using it to support information that Chana says and I am not using any of the information that the interviewer or the website says on their own. Aoba47 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine.


 * Thank you for the source review! I have addressed everything. I have asked a few questions to just get your opinion on it, and I am looking forward to your answer. Have a great weekend and thank you again! Aoba47 (talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2023 (UTC)