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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Graham Beards via FACBot (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2015.

Mayfly

 * Nominator(s): Chiswick Chap and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

This article is about the mayfly, an insect that spends almost its whole life as an aquatic nymph, and a brief time (sometimes only a few minutes) as a winged adult. The article achieved Good Article status in July 2015 and we hope you will think it is also up to FA standard. We look forward to your comments and suggestions. This is a WikiCup nomination. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment : Do we have any information about its diversity in other continents instead of North America, and are they sometimes regarded as pests or do they usually avoid urban areas due to their aquatic lifestyle? Burklemore1 (talk) 11:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added a couple of sentences on their worldwide distribution. I wouldn't say they were pests at all; they are like butterflies, pretty and innocuous, and seen more in rural areas than urban ones. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, the change looks good. I'll give the article another read to see if I can pick up anything else. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:09, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I was surprised there was not any information in regards to parasitism, but I have found a few sources that discuss this topic. You may find these sources useful: 1 2 3 4 5
 * Added. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there any link for the term "hypopharynx"? This may not be clear for readers. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * linked. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The link for ref no. 33 and the external link for "Bibliography of Ephemeroptera" are dead (for me that is).
 * Removed the dead links; the ref itself is ok. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

There really isn't much to say about the article now that my comments have been addressed. I will happily support this article as an FA. However, those who are more in depth than I am will need to give their thoughts on the article. Good job guys on yet another excellent article. Do you two have any further plans on promoting other insect articles to GA and FA (other than the two you currently have nominated for GA)? Currently I have just started to work on Termite in one of my sandboxes, since that needs immediate attention. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Alright, while I am still supporting this article for FA, I have some more comments and suggestions:


 * What exactly is a thoracic shield?
 * Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Add for ref no. 4
 * Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Page is needed for ref. no 31 Burklemore1 (talk) 10:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Excellent, the article definitely has my support now. I do not see anymore problems, so that is all from me. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Image review
 * File:Mayflies_in_Sunset_Dance_Gilbert_White_Natural_History_of_Selborne.jpg: what is the author's date of death? Same with File:BowlkersArtofAnglingFrontpiece_Mayflies.JPG. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Philip Henry Gosse died in 1888 and Charles Bowlker in 1779. I have added the information to the image files. Thanks Nikkimaria. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Jim
Excellent article and very comprehensive. Even my usual parasite nitpick was addressed before I got here. Two things before I support Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * F irst sentence: The mayfly... which also contains the dragonfly and damselfly—whythe singulars when there are hundreds of each of these groups? Looks like the hunter's singular "we hunted lion, elephant and mayfly". It's particularly weird because you use plurals throughout the rest of the article, next para begins Mayflies are relatively primitive insects...
 * Recast using plural. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * swarms a few metres (yards)—how is this a meaningful conversion? Drop the imperial.
 * Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Jimfbleak - talk to me?  18:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Coemgenus
On first reading, there's very little to criticize. One thing I noticed is that in "Ecology," you wrote that fish are "probably" the main predators. Is the issue in doubt? I'll do a second reading and see if anything else comes up, but I'm leaning support so far. --Coemgenus (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They are certainly "among" the main predators, so have said that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:13, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. On second reading... I've got nothing. This is a well-written and interesting article, and I'm happy to support. Good luck! --Coemgenus (talk) 11:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Source review
 * Cite 3: Some problems; 1. "The head is heavily sclerotinised" is an exact copy. 2. I can't find mention of the antennae being slender though that may be an obvious feature. 3. I can't find mention of the claw being absent in some species. 4. The source mentions that the female dips her abdomen in the water intermittently rather than sometimes. 5. I can't find mention of the length of the nymphal stage. 6. The page range should be extended since the information goes beyond page 20.
 * I have sorted these points, apart from the length of the nymphal stage, which you may have missed in the source, - the bit about voltinism. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All good, I suppose "sometimes" and "intermittently could mean the same. LittleJerry (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Cite 28: Good
 * Cite 62: Doesn't mention mid-June. LittleJerry (talk) 01:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed, the date was mentioned in another source. Thanks, LittleJerry. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good. LittleJerry (talk) 11:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Graham Beards (talk) 18:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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