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Milton Friedman

 * Nominator(s): BasedMises Mont Pelerin 02:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

This article is about Milton Friedman. I am nominating this for FAC because I have worked diligently on this article. I have added quite a bit of relevant media, added a massive new slew of sources that make this article extremely reliable, added several new sections including a criticism section to ensure the neutrality of opinions (which has been a complaint on the page). I have also fixed all mistakes in conventions, spelling, and other things. I also made the article pleasing to look at, and I am most certainly proud of this work. Please take away this proudness if necessary. I have checked the criteria. The prose is well-written (already was), and thus I did not feel a need to improve it. The article is supported by numerous pieces of media which interact well with users, and the amount of information is certainly sufficient for a FA. Thank you for your comments! BasedMises Mont Pelerin 02:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Z1720
Hi, thanks for nominating this article for FAC. Unfortunately, I suggest that this article is withdrawn from FAC at this time and a peer review be opened instead. At 101kb of prose size, WP:TOOBIG recommends that the article be split. I also notice some paragraphs do not have a citation at the end of them, something I consider a prerequisite before nominating for FAC. Some other concerns are unnecessary information (like his height in the Personal life section) and numerous short paragraphs that should be merged together. Since lots of the information will be changed or removed before it is FA ready, I think it would be unfair for a reviewer to read through the whole article right now. Z1720 (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Z1720 Thanks for the comment. If possible, I will resolve all of that. I believe that the height is necessary considering he is considered to be among the shortest economists ever, and would certainly make for a good DYK. I will try shortening the prose and merging sections. BasedMises Mont Pelerin 03:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Source review

 * Significant issues with sourcing abound here. Will divide the issues into different types


 * Formatting
 * "Chicago Remembers Milton Friedman, Sanderson, 2012, [1]" - You'll want a better way of including the url than slapped on at the end, the publisher needs included, and Sanderson's full name needs provided.
 * Page numbers needed for Van Overtveldt
 * Page numbers needed for Friedman 2018
 * Publisher, page number, and date needed for Krugman 1995
 * "Who's who in American Jewry. 1980." - needs page number, publisher, isbn, etc.
 * Ref 28 to Ebenstein needs page numbers; also, don't use all caps for titles
 * "Incomes from Independant Professional Practice, 1945, Friedman, Kuznets" - needs publisher, page numbers, author's full names, etc.
 * "Beznoska, Martin; Ochmann, Richard (2012). "Liquidity Constraints and the Permanent Income Hypothesis: Pseudo Panel Estimation with German Consumption Survey Data"." - lacks a publisher
 * " "Rose Friedman, Economist Partner of Husband Milton, Dies at 97 - Bloomberg". web.archive.org. November 5, 2013. Retrieved May 20, 2021." - web.archive.org is not the publisher, Bloomberg is
 * " Optimum Quantity of Money. Aldine Publishing Company. 1969. p. 4." - Needs the author
 * "Friedman, Milton. Inflation: Causes and Consequences. New York: Asia Publishing House." - needs page numbers
 * " Hamilton, Earl J. (1965). American Treasure and the Price Revolution in Spain, 1501-1650. New York: Octagon." needs page numbers, and I don't think a 1965 source is good for citing "Friedman was best known for ..."
 * Reliability
 * "Maureen Sullivan (July 30, 2016). "Milton Friedman's Name Disappears From Foundation, But His School-Choice Beliefs Live On". Forbes" - Appears to be a Forbes contributor piece, so probably not reliable per WP:FORBESCON
 * " "Right from the Start? What Milton Friedman can teach progressives" (PDF). J. Bradford DeLong. Archived (PDF) from the original on February 16, 2008. Retrieved February 20, 2008." - This is a book review by DeLong, on what appears to be DeLong's personal website. The formatting suggests this may be from some sort of journal, though.  More needs to be known to determine if this is self-published
 * What makes Corporate Finance Institute high-quality RS?
 * Investopedia is not good enough sourcing for FA
 * What makes The Daily Bell RS?
 * What makes The Daily Hatch RS?
 * What makes The Money Masters RS?
 * Other
 * Ref 14 is actually an uncited note
 * "Friedman's on the Military Industrial Complex - YouTube". www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 8, 2021." - Unless we can demonstrate that this video is of a non-copyrighted broadcast, this likely fails WP:COPYLINK, as this is just to a random YouTube channel, not a likely copyright holder

Oppose - I've looked at only about half of the inline citations, and it is just a total mess. Formatting is completely inconsistent, most books lack page numbers, a number of sources are week or unreliable, and I didn't even look at the latter half of these, and it is clearly a mess. This needs a very detailed peer review before it will be ready, as the sourcing currently is pretty far from FA standards. Hog Farm Talk 04:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Coord note -- per above comments I'm going to archive this and ask that improvements (and a Peer Review) take palace outside the FAC process, after which you could consider another nomination here. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)