Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mount Meager/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 22:19, 26 February 2012.

Mount Meager

 * Nominator(s):  Volcano guy  07:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

This article should be ready for FAC now. I have spent months of research on Mount Meager to recreate the article then I did some copyediting for clarification. I am aware there are terms in the article that make it a little technical to read like rock types (e.g. dacite, rhyodacite, andesite, rhyolite, breccia) and other volcanological terminology, but as far as I am aware of they are appropiate for FA volcano articles. Nevertheless, they are supported by helpful links.  Volcano guy  07:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done, PD attribution tag present. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
 * Fixed.  Volcano guy  04:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Be consistent in whether publisher locations are provided for books
 * Done.  Volcano guy  04:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * FN 37: last name?
 * Fixed.  Volcano guy  04:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * FN 20: given that Trafford is a print-on-demand service, what are the qualifications of this author?
 * Just to get away from this I have replaced the book source with a better one.  Volcano guy  04:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * FN 22: typo in title
 * The source that had the typo in title has been replaced with another source.  Volcano guy  04:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Check formatting of newspaper citations. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Switched to cite news.  Volcano guy  05:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 Weak Support: Spot check looks good, but I'll made a full review sometime later. Nice to see you around Tusk ;) Res Mar 03:52, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support comments  - on prose and comprehensiveness grounds. reading through - queries below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This is a 1,094 km (680 mi) long fault zone running 80 km (50 mi) off the Pacific Northwest from Northern California to southwestern British Columbia. - should that be " Pacific Northwest coast"?
 * No.  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Para 2 of Regional setting - the word "trench" is repeated in 3 successive sentences. Any way this could be reworded to lose one (without sacrificing meaning) would improve prose.
 * I have changed the second "trench" to "this large depression".  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 *  However, earthquakes along the Cascadia subduction zone are fewer than expected --> " However, earthquakes along the Cascadia subduction zone are less common/rarer than expected"? (sounds funny as is)
 * Done.  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 *  Even though very few eruptions in Canada have been witnessed by people, Canada is nonetheless an area of intense volcanic activity. - 2 canadas in the one sentence. could the second be "the region"?
 * Changed.  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 *  These signs generally occur well in advance of a potential eruption,  - how far in advance? weeks/months/years/days......
 * That depends. According to the Geological Survey of Canada, warnings can be weeks, months or years long, so I have added that to the sentence.  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, its' the sort of thing laypeople are keen on knowing....Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything else people do there? popular summer hiking or winter skiiing?
 * No.  Volcano guy  15:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Otherwise prose and comprehensiveness look pretty good. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Image review
 * Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods
 * I have always had problems with this. Which captions should not have periods? To me a sentence is a statement with a period, so I have no idea what captions are you referring to.  Volcano guy  00:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Think I've got these either changed to sentences with periods, or frags w/o. The Interior  (Talk) 01:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hot spring caption needs editing for prose
 * Revised.  Volcano guy  00:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Graph is illegible at this size - can it be made larger?
 * Increased graph size.  Volcano guy  00:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Garibaldi_Volcanic_Belt-en.svg: second source link returns 404 error
 * Fixed.  Volcano guy  00:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * File:Eruptive_history_of_the_Mount_Meager_Volcanic_Complex.png: page? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Page number added.  Volcano guy  00:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment re: 1b. Anything useful to add from these sources? Sasata (talk) 19:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Title:  Volcanology of the 2350 BP eruption of Mount Meager volcanic complex, British Columbia, Canada: implications for hazards from eruptions in topographically complex terrain
 * Author(s): Hickson CJ; Russell JK; Stasiuk MV
 * Source: Bulletin of Volcanology Volume:  60   Issue:  7   Pages:  489-507   DOI:  10.1007/s004450050247   Published:  APR 1999


 * Title:  Welded block and ash flow deposits from Mount Meager, British Columbia, Canada
 * Author(s): Michol K. A.; Russell J. K.; Andrews G. D. M.
 * Source: Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research  Volume:  169   Issue:  3-4   Pages:  121-144   DOI:  10.1016/j.jvolgeores.2007.08.010   Published:  FEB 10 2008


 * Title:  Impact of a Quaternary volcano on Holocene sedimentation in Lillooet River Valley, British Columbia
 * Author(s): Friele PA; Clague JJ; Simpson K; et al.
 * Source:    SEDIMENTARY GEOLOGY  Volume:  176   Issue:  3-4   Pages:  305-322   DOI:  10.1016/j.sedgeo.2005.01.011   Published:  MAY 16 2005


 * Title:  Large Holocene landslides from Pylon Peak, southwestern British Columbia
 * Author(s): Friele PA; Clague JJ
 * Source:    CANADIAN JOURNAL OF EARTH SCIENCES  Volume:  41   Issue:  2   Pages:  165-182   DOI:  10.1139/E03-089   Published:  FEB 2004


 * PS:Volcanoguy, if you can't access them, a few of us have access at different universities and can probably help. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as I am aware of, the Volcanology of the 2350 BP eruption of Mount Meager volcanic complex, British Columbia, Canada journal dosen't have lots of important information about the actual event. It's mostly just about the deposition of the eruptive products and stratigraphy. Nevertheless, all of the events the eruption produced (e.g. pyroclastic flows, pyroclastic fall, collapsing of lava flows, outburst flood) is within the article. Same thing for the second source, but it discusses the deposition of block and ash flows that occurred during the same eruption. Nothing really important to note in the Impact of a Quaternary volcano on Holocene sedimentation in Lillooet River Valley, British Columbia journal other than the fact that Meager has been the source several large landslides in the past 10,000 years and are potential hazards to inhabited areas in the Lillooet River valley (which is already discussed in the article). As for the Pylon Peak source, landslides are a major hazard at Meager (and are discussed in the Threats and preparedness section), but the largest events are not unique and don't need a separate section about them. They are, however, in the landslide table. I have seen and read all of these sources before I nominated and rewrote/expanded this article.  Volcano guy  03:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Noleander
 * Lead: "... it could again produce a major eruption; if this were to happen, relief efforts would probably be quickly organized. "  - Can be improved ... "probably" just seems out of place.  What do the source say?  I presume they positively say "Would be quickly " or "could be quickly ..".
 * Done.  Volcano guy  16:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Lead: "The Garibaldi Volcanic Belt has a long history of eruptions and poses a threat to the surrounding region. .." That sentence follows a few sentences on eruptions.  It seems like that sentence should start the 2nd paragraph of the lead, leading into more detailed discussion of eruptions.
 * I switched the second the third paragraphs to make it more obvious.  Volcano guy  17:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Photo quality: the two photos in the "Historic" section are rather poor quality, especially the bottom one ... it looks like red lava, but the caption indicates it is a landslide.  I'd recommend removing that bottom photo ... or, better, going to the source and asking for a better image.
 * I do not see anything in the FA criteria that mentions all images should be high quality. And lava just dosen't look like that. In my view it is brown. Have you ever thought the rock might be that colour?  Volcano guy  16:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See also: Should be alphabetized
 * Done.  Volcano guy  16:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See also: Some editors believe that a FA quality article should have no articles listed in See Also, because the ideal article  would include, somewhere in its body, a mention of (and link to) any article that would/could be in the See Also section.  Personally, I'm not one of those editors; but, maybe you could ask yourself if any of those six links could be sensibly fit into the article body somehow.
 * External links: should be alphabetized.
 * Done.  Volcano guy  16:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Table column headings: "Age": reader should not have to jump down to footnote to understand the column.  Recommend change "Age" to "Years before present" (top table); and "Year" (bottom table).
 * Done.  Volcano guy  17:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "Although Mount Meager is a potentially active volcano, ...". Is there a better, official word for "potentially active"?  Volcanos are either dormant or ....?  What? Just because it is not erupting today, there must be some term that means something other than dormant, true?
 * It is mentioned in the article that the regional hot springs are most likely related to volcanic activity. If so, it is not not a true dormant volcano and thats why it is probably more appropiate to use potentally active. Furthermore, terms like dormant and extinct are pretty vague in science and are not normally used by scientists.  Volcano guy  16:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no section on "Recreation" or "Climbing". Is there boating/fishing/camping on the mountain?  How about hiking or backpacking trails?  Certainly the mountain climbers have routes.  E.g. when was the first ascent?  What is most popular route?  What is the route graded?  Etc.
 * I couldn't find anything for most of those things. Why would this article have information about boating and fishing? It has no lakes. Bivouac.com has information about ascent of Meager but as far as I am aware of bivouac is not considered a reliable source.  Volcano guy  16:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)—


 * Surveying history: If possible, add info about surveying history.  When was it first surveyed?  By which party?  Original height estimate (vs modern)?  Ah, that is covered okay in the "Naming" section ... I overlooked that in my first read. --Noleander (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Climate and vegetation" section: broaden title to include wildlife.  Maybe "Natural history"?  Or similar.
 * Changed to "Regional geography".  Volcano guy  17:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you add any more details about fauna? The article seems heavily tilted towards geology, giving short shrift to recreation, flowers, animals.  I'm not suggesting each be equally represented, but there is only one sentence on animals.
 * There is not lots of information available for fauna and flora.  Volcano guy  16:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Better photo: Just a thought:  it looks like a gorgeous mountain ... but the photos are not doing it justice.  Even the InfoBox photo is dark and shady; and the other pics have white snow fields against a white sky.   Can you put out a request to Canadian mountaineering groups soliciting a photo someone would be willing to donate to WM commons?  Not a show stopper for FA, but the article is poorly served by its photos.
 * Changed image in infobox. What is wrong with having a cloudy sky with a glaciated mountain? Can still tell the difference between the two things. Furthermore, clouds are common in mountainous regions.  Volcano guy  16:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

End Noleander comments --Noleander (talk) 03:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Come now people, this is starting to look like one of my FACs! Res Mar 15:01, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Closing comment - Sadly, after one month and 16 days, there is still no clear consensus to promote this article—despite the two encouraging supports from respected reviewers—so I have decided to archive this nomination. Please do not give up on this, and to quote one of the reviewers "come now people". Graham Colm (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


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