Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mumia Abu-Jamal/archive4


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 04:36, 22 January 2008.

Mumia Abu-Jamal

 * previous FAC



Though still under attack by a banned user, the page has been rewritten almost entirely since the previous nomination. DrKiernan (talk) 17:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Was Abu-Jamal the first "President of the Philadelphia Association of Black Journalists"? I ask, because the "Preceded by" section of the succession box contains a random apostrophe mark. If he was the first president of this organization, then "Preceded by" should be filled with "None". If his predecessor is unknown, then it should be labeled as "unknown". Nishkid64 (talk) 06:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know who his predecessor was, so I've decided to remove the succession box. DrKiernan (talk) 07:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose I'm concerned that the page is incomplete and not stable yet.
 * - The "Witnesses not called at trial" section is unclear in the first few sentences and seems to be talking about several different people.
 * Contracted.
 * - The larger section "Arrest for murder and trial" ought to be condensed substantially. A new article, the Trials of Mumia Abu-Jamal or similar should be where the discussion of the minute details of the case should be presented.
 * Condensed. New article Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Mumia Abu-Jamal created.
 * That's a good start. My opinion is that any argument over the details of the case should be here. I did some condensing myself.
 * - There are too many references to other people. The focus of the article should be about mumia, not about some hookers and drunks who can't remember anything.  I think most of these people belong in the "trials" article I proposed.
 * As above.
 * I started a list of figures involved on the trial page.
 * - There is no need for a photo of city hall.
 * Removed.
 * - A photo of the intersection where the shooting took place *would* be useful.
 * I agree, but I can't find one, or provide one (I don't live in Philadelphia).
 * The lat/long coordinates would be nice too.
 * - More context is needed about why people find the issue so engaging. It's interesting to know that foreign cities have named him an honorary citizen.  What would be REALLY interesting is to know why.  It is not immediately apparent.
 * I've moved the "Honors" section to below the "Campaign groups" section to give a more logical flow.
 * - More context is also needed to describe the anti-black people and anti-police/anti-authority attitudes that prevailed in philadelphia at the time.
 * I think this is covered in the "Early life" and "2005 Federal higher appeal" sections.
 * That's a start. I wonder if a summary of jamal's police brutality news bits is possible.  We should also try to link this into the history of philadelphia somehow.
 * -- Austin Murphy (talk) 16:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, very helpful. DrKiernan (talk) 13:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to help, but the more I dig into the issue, the less clear it is. That's strangly engaging, but makes it *really* difficult to have a comprehensive article that is stable.  -- Austin Murphy (talk) 19:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please review the unresolved external links. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 01:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.