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New York City
I noticed WikiProject New York City intends to improve this to featured level. Well, in my view, it's at it already. Andre ( talk )A| 01:35, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * Support I would like to see a photo of the World Trade Center, before it collapsed, a photo of ground zero or a sketch of the replacement added to the article. But other than that, top work folks. A+ in my book. Alkivar 03:10, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Support This article is a winner with or without the WTC. The photos mentioned by Alkivar are not even on the entries for Sept 11 or for Sept 11 victims. The article appears thorough and complete - but I'll look and see how it might be improved by Ambi's suggestion of looking at Sarajevo and Salt Lake City (unless that has already occurred.) PunkPod 05:04, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Object. Not complete or fully comprehensive yet. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 07:37, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Object. It's quite good, but still could do with a little bit of work. Several sections are overly short. Several others are in list form, and probably could be converted to prose. The table under "airports" appears to make no sense in this context - is that an error? No references! Sister cities sentence could be included in another paragraph. Demographics section is straight out of Rambot. There's some POV and bad writing in "people of New York". There's not a lot on the cultural side of the city. In addition, I think it would be wise to take some inspiration from Sarajevo and Salt Lake City, Utah]. Ambi 10:47, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Object: Everything about NYC is oversized, except the geography, and attempting justice in a single article is almost futile.  However, the objection is due to POV and shaky speculation in the "People of New York" section.  Also, the "Neighborhoods" is rightly a reference to a list, but it wouldn't be extranneous to mention that Manhattan is divided into Uptown, Harlem, Midtown, Downtown, Chinatown, and Little Italy.  (About POV, let's be honest:  there's no need to say that young folks in the city aren't bored -- they are, like young folks everywhere -- or that people don't have cars because of "hassle."  They don't need cars, with the subway and bus system, and cars are kept by people who live in the outer boroughs.  Cars in Staten Island or Bronx are as common as anywhere else, and garages there aren't expensive.)  There is a tacit assumption by visitors that "New York" is Manhattan.  The authors have insisted that that's not true, but statements like "people don't have cars" rely on it.  My feeling is that massive articles on each borough need to be written & transcluded into the NYC article (see the Shakespeare article(s) for an example) and that Manhattan itself get 3 articles transcluding their summaries into the main article.  It's just too big a topic to treat reasonably in one throw. Geogre 20:08, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * It is a fact that 2/3 of NYC residents don't own cars, it's hardly just a Manhattan phenomenon. This is quite remarkably different from everywhere else in the US.  Some of us have worked on Brooklyn pretty well, maybe it can be made featured one day.  I look forward to developing other NYC topics as well. Why don't we organize on WikiProject New York City, which I sort of started half-heartedly recently, and haven't developed yet.  As to the article itself, 'People of New York' is rather flawed, and 'Geography' is incomplete.  Another problem is the article is already too long, and I'm going to consider spinning off more pages, maybe some of the detailed sports stuff.--Pharos 06:58, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)