Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New York State Route 311


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The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 22:28, 10 January 2009.

New York State Route 311

 * Nominator(s): User:Juliancolton
 * previous FAC (02:29, 2 October 2008)

A tad on the short side, but it is comprehensive. The article was upgraded to A-Class a couple months ago. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 20:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment The article did not go through the A-class review of USRD. --Rschen7754 (T C) 03:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * True; I reassessed it as GA-Class. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 03:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Did it go through the A-Class review of WikiProject Hudson Valley?--SRX 16:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but HVNY doesn't have an organized A-Class assessment system yet. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * So how does it have an A-Class assessment in the banner on the talk page for that project?--SRX 17:23, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * assessed it as A-Class, in a manner similar to that of Start-, C-, or B-Class assessment. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  20:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay.--SRX 21:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Lead Comments
 * It crosses NY 164 and NY 292 as it heads into the northwestern part of the county, finally bending east to reach its northern terminus at NY 22 just south of the Dutchess County line. - bending sounds awkward, how about curving?
 * Part of modern-day Route 311 was originally the Philipstown Turnpike, a road built in 1815 to overcome a lack of transportation means when the Hudson River froze over during the winter months. - is over needed? Seems repetitive with during
 * The turnpike was a large business center for the county, though was abandoned due to insufficient tolls to maintain it. - it would help if it was added between though and was
 * Another section was constructed in the early 1900s from the Patterson Baptist Church near the modern-day intersection of Route 311 and Route 164 to the Village of Patterson, by a group of Italian immigrants. - I think if a comma was added before from, it would help the flow of the sentence--SRX 21:13, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice catches, done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Route description comments
 * Carmel Lake has a surface area of about 200 acres (81 ha), and is sits at 618 ft (188 m) in elevation. - is? You mean it? =)
 * Done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The road crosses into the town of Patterson and interchanges with Interstate 84. - how about adding then before crosses, since in the previous sentence it spoke about the river
 * Fixed. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NY 311 curves gradually northeast before turning almost due north to an intersection with NY 292 in the community of West Patterson. - is the due suppose to be there?
 * Yes. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In the hamlet of Patterson, an historic district exists along the route. - wouldn't it be a and not an?--SRX 00:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This has been a longstanding issue within the 'grammar community', and despite the general rules of English, both "a history" and "an historic" are correct, if I recall correctly. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmed –Juliancolton Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  00:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Final comments
 * In November 1901, when the Putnam County's Board of Supervisors hired an engineer to create plans for a new road that would run from the Westchester–Putnam County border into Dutchess County. - the when makes this an incomplete statement, remove
 * After the Lloyd Lumber Company moved to a larger building along NY 311, the post office occupied the smaller structure. Both were situated on the east side of the New York Central tracks. - IMO, I think this would work better as a semi-colon.--SRX 02:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All done. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  02:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - based on my review of the article, it meets WP:WIAFA. Its also an interesting read, despite its size.--SRX 02:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  03:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: This is an interesting, well-researched article but I have a few nit-picks:
 * It should say in the Lead that this route is in the United States.
 * Here, Along the way, the route passes a number of historical sites I think "along the way" is redundant since we have "passes".
 * I'm not sure about "transportation means" - but a the moment I can't think of any alternative accept "access".
 * Instead of "Prior to" - can we have "before"?
 * Here, where does the quotation end:  One of the intentions of the turnpike was to "greatly promote the public good, as well contribute to their individual interest. However, the turnpike was eventually abandoned, because the tolls received were not sufficient to defray the expense of maintaining the road and associated bridges.
 * Here, shouldn't the "while" be "and": Children were asked to participate in the filming by dressing in western or American Indian apparel, while girls were asked to dress as frontier women.
 * Who is drafting whom here: By 1966, Putnam County's men began drafting for the Vietnam War. Should it be "began to be drafted into the armed forces to fight in the Vietnam War"?
 * The sources look fine except number 11. It says "Journal", but should it be Journal of the Assembly of the State of New York? Graham. Graham Colm Talk 16:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the helpful comments and support. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  21:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments -
 * As in the previous FAC, http://www.historicpatterson.org/index.php remains a concern, as it's a local historical society, and thus might be an unreliable source. I'm merely pointing it out for other reviewers to be aware of, and to make sure that nothing controversial is being sourced to it.
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain that source is reliable, as it's run by the Town of Patterson. Also, that site lists its acknowledgments and resources, which includes the Putnam County Historian's Office, the Patterson Town Board, the Patterson Town Historian, etc. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  21:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Support with minor comments
 * It passes by a Christian youth camp, and intersects with NY 164. - no comma
 * Link to Phillipstown Turnpike?
 * Other than that, I'm pretty impressed. The prose is really good and the article is broad. --Rschen7754 (T C) 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the support and comments, –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  16:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on criterion 3
 * File:New York Route 311 map.png - This map needs a reliable source with which to verify its information per WP:IUP. All other images have verifiable licenses and adequate descriptions. Awadewit (talk) 03:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed for now until I figure out how to fix it... –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  04:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Removing the map doesn't really solve the problem, as you really need that map for the article. don't you?. Just keep it until you have the information. Surely you have a source that could work for this? You're writing an article on this road! Awadewit (talk) 04:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the map isn't particularly crucial to the article, and I didn't want it to hold up the FAC. Would Google Maps suffice as a reliable source for it? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  04:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not crucial? Um, this is an article about a road. The map seems central to me. Another NY State FA used this source. Would that source your map? Awadewit (talk) 04:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * All done, Awadewit. Julian, that ref that I added is the official reference. Mitch 32 ( Go Syracuse ) 11:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've struck the oppose. All images have verifiable licenses and adequate descriptions. Awadewit (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support; looking at the above comments and reading the article, it seems it's ready. JonCatalán(Talk) 04:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.