Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nick Adenhart/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 17:39, 2 March 2010.

Nick Adenhart

 * Nominator(s): User:Gogo Dodo and Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 17:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Those who have watched baseball in the past 12 months know this name. Those who haven't, this is a biography of a major leaguer whose career was just beginning to rise when he was killed last year. His legacy lives on though, and while this FA is rather short, it is a comprehensive bio on a career that unfortunately was not. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and since I'm in the Wikicup, this is technically a cup nomination, though you guys can treat it as a regular ol' nomination. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 18:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Two quick notes since I'm sure they'll be brought up first: ALT Text I'll do tonight or tomorrow. I've never done it before and honestly don't see the point, but I'll do it nonetheless; have to read the page to understand how first of course. Also, I've looked for a free image to replace the one in the infobox but have been unsuccessful so far (if one of the other three pictures worked there I'd put it there, but alas it does not). Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 18:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I replaced the non-free infobox image with a cc-by-sa image from Flickr (one that is not a derivative work of copyrighted work). It catches this man in a weird angle but it's free and he is about as identifiable as on the non-free image that was used, I believe. Hekerui (talk) 23:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, just got the guy to change the license a couple hours ago :) Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 01:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats, then. Hekerui (talk) 09:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. No dab links and no dead external links. Am willing to help with alt text if needed. Ucucha 18:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC) Alt text done Ucucha 21:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to add it in, go for it. If not then I can, no worries. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 01:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It'd probably be better if you do it yourself first, since I know so little about baseball that I'll probably screw up somewhere. Ucucha 02:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I added alt text for the first one. If it's good then I'll do the others, if I didn't do it right I'll try to find someone to help me out on it. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 05:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A good start! Some comments: Please provide some context in the alt text: he is evidently in a stadium, but that is not apparent in the alt text. The second half of the second sentence is difficult to parse, as it is unclear who the "he" is and who the pitcher is. Also, you don't need to tell that it is a photo; see WP:ALT. Ucucha 05:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. alt text added for images #2 and 3 (4 is gonna have to wait until tomorrow, that one is more complicated) all images. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 05:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I made some further corrections and am satisfied with the alt text now. Ucucha 21:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments -
 * What makes http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/ a reliable source?
 * Likewise http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/nick_adenhart.php?
 * Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Baseball America is recognized as a major baseball magazine focusing on pre-major league careers.Here is a fairly good recognition of its notability. The second ref I was considering taking out myself when I saw it at first, it felt borderline reliable at best. I'll replace it. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 20:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me know what you replace it with. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Replaced with newspaper, some of it can be read online. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 20:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * An alternative freely available source may be, but then we would have to discuss the reliability of that. I tried finding the original announcement from the Cedar Rapids Kernels, but nothing is available that far back. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments – Few quick post-Super Bowl comments; will try to review the rest at a later time.
 * The significance of the Salt Lake City Bees cancelling the game after his death isn't clear in the lead. I assume he played for the team in the minor leagues, but it would be worth clarifying that.
 * Early life: "Entering his final high school season, that magazine dubbed Adenhart the No. 1 high school prospect in the country." The mention of Baseball America is two sentences before this, and the sentence stopped me in my tracks for a second. It left me wondering if this was broken up by the addition of content. It would be worth it to mention the magazine's name again.
 * Baseball career: "with the Orem Owlz of the Pioneer League, the Angels' Rookie League affiliate." The last part is supposed to be modifying the team, not the league. How about "with the Pioneer League's Orem Owlz, the Angels' Rookie League affiliate."?  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 03:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Changes made. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 06:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "in the 2006 All-Star Futures game on July...". Final part of the date is missing.
 * "Baseball America has him ranked as the 34th best prospect in baseball and second in the Angels organization." "has" → "had".
 * "and was ranked 68th overall on Baseball America's 2009 prospects". Feels like a word is missing at the end. Maybe "list"?
 * "Adenhart earned his spot in the Angels 2009 rotation...". Apostrophe needed for Angels.
 * "while striking out five batters and walking three batters in six innings". Little redundancy that can easily be removed without changing the meaning.
 * Death: No need to link the A's again so soon after the last section. Looking at the first sentence as a whole, it feels disconnected from the previous part. Maybe changing "a game" to "the game" would help.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. removed the A's mention altogether since it was redundant. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 00:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Changes made. Specifics on points 1 and 6... I can't find the exact date of his announcement to the All-Star Futures roster, so I changed it to "in July".  Using "the game" seems to imply to me that there was only one game against the A's.  I see what you mean though.  I'll have to think that one over. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, found the press release on the All-Star Futures roster announcement. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Provisional Support very nicely done, but I recommend why Adenhart was in the starting rotation to begin the year, remember the Angels pitching staff was decimated with injuries to begin the season, and the article doesn't make it clear why he made the club. Secret account 18:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it might be difficult to provide the necessary references to say why he made the club without veering into WP:OR territory. While certainly spots did open up with Lackey and Santana being injured, it is hard to really say that Adenhart made the starting rotation only because of those two injuries or if he would have gotten the fifth spot anyways. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments from KV5

I've never reviewed a featured article candidate before, but Wizardman asked me if I might consider reviewing this one. Hopefully I don't step on anyone's toes.


 * "began playing for their minor league system" - do minor leaguers play for a system or in one?
 * "a spot on the Angels' starting rotation" - on should be in
 * "who Adenhart played for in 2008" - for whom Adenhart played
 * "suspended their following games" - that grammar doesn't strike me quite right, but I don't know what to suggest.
 * I don't think the link to "PONY League" goes where you want it to.
 * "After graduating from middle school" - does one graduate from middle school? This tends to be a semantic debate, and one that I'm potentially willing to overlook, but I would be more comfortable with a re-word.
 * "and pitched as well" - might be better as in addition to pitching
 * "he went 6–1" - as a baseball fan, I certainly know what it means to "go 6–1", but others might not, so this should be clarified that it is a win-loss record, and that it only relates to his pitching stats, etc.
 * "No. 1" - I don't think this is MOS-compliant, but rather than writing out "number one", it might just be easier to say top high school prospect
 * I would move the link to Strikeout to when you mention that he struck out 15 batters, as it occurs first.
 * I don't know if I'm a big fan of "baseball" being piped to the college team; I would be more comfortable if the university name was piped to the team instead.
 * "which would require Tommy John surgery" - past tense, which required
 * "The injury was a partial ligament tear in his elbow which would require Tommy John surgery, meaning just two weeks before the 2004 Major League Baseball Draft, his stock plummeted; he had originally been projected to be a first round draft pick." - this whole sentence strikes me a bit strangely. I might consider the following split and re-word:
 * The injury was a partial ligament tear in his elbow which required Tommy John surgery. Though he had originally been projected as a first-round draft pick, his stock plummeted two weeks before the 2004 Major League Baseball Draft.
 * Note the correction of "first-round" and the removal of the unneeded modifier "just" as well.


 * The Angels were known as the Anaheim Angels in 2004 when they selected Adenhart.
 * "$710,000 bonus" - not sure if this needs an inflation-adjusted total?
 * "rehabbing" - jargony, rehabilitating
 * "Rookie League" - I don't think Rookie League is a proper noun. Could be wrong, though.
 * "got the win" - earned might be better than "got"
 * "one of 12 pitchers" - comparable quantities per MOS:NUM, should be 1 of 12 or one of twelve (I'm indifferent)
 * "sixth best prospect and the 90th best overall by Baseball America" - not sure if these are comparable or not (I think they are). Compound adjectives like "90th-best" should be hyphenated.
 * "ten wins, a 1.95 ERA, and 99 strikeouts in 106 innings pitched" - comparable, 10
 * "Baseball America had him ranked" - Baseball America ranked him
 * "34th best prospect in baseball" - 34th-best
 * "24th best prospect" - 24th-best
 * "owning a 9–13 record" - accumulating or amassing is probably better than "owning" because he didn't just inherit that record when he got sent down
 * "He appeared in six starts, had a 3–0 record with a 3.12 ERA over 26 innings pitched" - I think you might be missing a conjunction or something here. Perhaps and had?
 * "five hour surgery" - five-hour, compound adjective
 * "The Angels postponed the game for the day immediately after Adenhart's death." - against whom?
 * Is it the Salt Lake City Bees or the Salt Lake Bees? Both appear in the article.
 * "death being alcohol related" - alcohol-related
 * Since "playoff share" is kind of jargony (I wouldn't know what it was if I didn't follow baseball), consider linking it to Major League Baseball postseason.

This is a good-looking article. It was a pleasure to review. Cheers. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 17:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I won't get to this until Wednesday night EST due to other commitments, though my co-nom may be able to fix all the problems before then. Looks like he's been on top of things :)  Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 03:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've been put on the spot. =) I've fixed many of the items brought up, though a few are still outstanding.  I restructured the part about his Tommy John surgery.  The UNC area was also restructured.  Hopefully for the better. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Most done. I did not do the middle school note, since graduation seems fine to me. At least in America there's still a bit of a ceremony and the like, though of course less than high school. The college team I kept since I think it's more useful going directly to that; as a compromise I could have it link to both somehow. The inflation I added but it seems a little odd, I might remove it. Rookie League seems capitalized everywhere else I look, so I guess it's fine as is. Everything else has been changed by us. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 02:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Support. All of my comments have been satisfactorily addressed or sufficiently explained away, and I fixed the inflation template, so I see no reason not to support this FA candidate. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 02:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: I outdented the above support vote and copied the word "support" to the left; this is easier for the FA delegates to see when they are reviewing FAC nominations. Mike Christie (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Further note: I removed the second bolded support so it wouldn't look like KV5 had double-supported. Better to have only one bolded support to prevent confusion from the closers.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 20:05, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Further notice: I knew I'd screw something up... KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 20:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Comments  - am reading through now and making changes to massage the prose (which is a bit choppy and repetitive but remediable) as I go. Feel free to revert if I inadvertently make any changes to meaning. I'll post queries below: Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * In his final high school game, in front of two dozen scouts, Adenhart felt a pop in his elbow after throwing a curve to the third batter, an injury which abruptly ended his season.[8] The injury was a partial ligament tear in his elbow which required Tommy John surgery. - this would flow better as "In his final high school game, in front of two dozen scouts, Adenhart felt a pop in his elbow after throwing a curve to the third batter. The injury, which abruptly ended his season, was a partial ligament tear in his elbow which required Tommy John surgery.'' - I just wasn't sure what refs would go where in that version but it flows better.


 * ' '...hitting a gray Mitsubishi Eclipse in which...'' - I was hoping there'd be some succinct way of portraying a clearer picture. I am presuming the car hit it at 90 degrees into its side, which in Australia we'd colloquially call 'T-boning'. Maybe "ploughed into the side of...sending it...."


 * Also, are there any sources which specify the injuries he suffered? If not, don't worry.

Otherwise, nearly there. Sources look okay and I can't see any comprehensiveness issues or other deal-breakers. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just noticed this above: "curve" should be curveball (and linked to curveball) to remove WP:JARGON. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 02:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * curve --> curveball.....done, good catch.... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Reworded both statements. The second one was tough since they don't mention his specific injuries or where the car got hit exactly. I'd rather not it in to avoid original research, though there was enough written that day that maybe there is something out there. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 05:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't recall reading anything about Adenhart or Stewart's exact injuries, only Wilhite's. As for where the Eclipse was hit, it was t-boned.  Changed it with a source, though I'm not quite sure I like it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Support – After the resolution of my comments above, along with those of the other reviewers, I briefly looked to see if there were other issues and didn't find anything. All the elements expected of an FA are there, and I felt that it was a good (if difficult at times) read.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 00:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.