Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Norman Cob/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by 10:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC).

Norman Cob

 * Nominator(s): Dana boomer (talk) 21:02, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

This is another French draft horse breed, but one with a slightly happier history, as after the event of mechanization it found another use besides being bred for the meat market. Another collaboration between myself and User:Tsaag Valren, the wonderful French editor who took this article to featured status on the French WP, with additional help from numerous others. I look forward to your comments! (Oh, and this is a WikiCup article.) Dana boomer (talk) 21:02, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: Dana boomer. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (Wikimanche CC 3.0, own work, PD-age). Sources and authors provided.
 * File:RaceNormande.jpg - added US-tag, OK. GermanJoe (talk) 08:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, GermanJoe! Your image expertise is, as always, much appreciated. Dana boomer (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support I did the GA review for this. At the time I thought it also met the FA criteria, and having reviewed the subsequent fairly minor changes, I'm happy to support this now  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  18:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jim! Your GA review definitely helped in the last push to FAC. Dana boomer (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Comment - looks well-written and comprehensive at first read, just some minor issues and questions:
 * wiki-links => do you link once in lead and once more in main text, or only once? Some terms are linked twice ("Thoroughbred", the breed colors, ...), some only in lead ("breed", "conformation", "Selle Francais", ...). It would be more consistent to use one style throughout.
 * Fixed. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * history sub-headers => "20th century" overlaps with the next section "1950 - 2000"
 * Fixed. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "This stud and the [Haras du Pin] ..." - red-link?
 * Done, and tweaked the formatting of this sentence in general a bit. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * 20th century "The arrival of automobiles coincided with a split in the breed." => Why are automobiles mentioned here? Is there any causal connection?
 * GermanJoe, in general, the arrival of the internal combustion engine meant that horses were often at the losing end of the deal; in this context, they were not needed as carriage horses any more, so the body type split between the horses still useful for riding (lighter, more agile) and horse still suitable for farm work (heavier, slower). I'll let Dana address the issue further, but that's the connection.  --Montanabw
 * Added a bit to clarify that an increase in cars meant a decrease in carriage horses. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "[At this point], a distinction ..." - redundant in a chronological text.
 * Removed. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "Laurens St. Martin" - notable enough for a red-link?
 * I don't think so? He doesn't have an article on the French WP, and I haven't seen any notable treatment of him in the sources to which I have access. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * 2000 and today "There are fairs held for the breed at Lessay and Gavray, in [la Manche]." => the link points to "la Manche" aka the English Channel. Should it point to "Manche" (the department)?
 * Yes, it would be correct to link it there. However, it doesn't need to be linked, given that Manche is already linked a paragraph up. My mistake. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Uses ""Some Norman Cobs are bred for the meat market ..." => any numbers available for meat usage vs. other usages? From the article i get the impression, meat usage is rare, but that remains a bit vague.
 * I haven't seen any numbers, but I've dropped a note to the French user who has worked on this article with me, to see if any of her sources can give us more specifics. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * citation => the article uses "p." for page ranges, not "pp." (?).
 * Done, I think. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Notes and References => check ISBN-formatting, all should be ISBN13 hyphenated - http://pcn.loc.gov/isbncnvt.html is a good tool for ISBN conversions. GermanJoe (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen the discussion that requires ISBNs to be ISBN13 hyphenated. Could you please point it out to me? Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the additional comments. I believe I have replied to everything above. Dana boomer (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ISBNs are detailed at WP:ISBN, which strangely is not a policy or a guideline (my bad, thought it was one). As the text mentions, ISBN13 is standard since 2007. I'll do another final read before supporting. GermanJoe (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support after another readthrough, nice work. Comprehensive (as far as a layman can tell) and well-sourced. I formatted the remaining ISBNs, aside from using the newest standard it just looks a bit cleaner that way. GermanJoe (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the review and support, GermanJoe! Thanks also for changing the ISBNs - I really was going to change them, I just hadn't had a chance to yet... Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support I've probably edited too much on this article to be a neutral reviewer, though I didn't do much to help the GA/FA run. But it is nicely done and support from Wikiproject Equine!   Montanabw (talk) 15:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Source review - spotchecks not done
 * L'Harmattan or Éditions L'Harmattan?
 * WorldCat has both: the first book and the second book. Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * "Syndicat national des éleveurs et utilisateurs de chevaux Cob Normand" or "Syndicat National des Éleveurs et Utilisateurs de chevaux Cob Normand"?
 * The first. I think I've standardized this. Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Cheval or Cheval magazine?
 * That one might be two different magazines, cheval is French for "horse" and a quick web search turned up multiple horsey publications in French titled Cheval - whatever. No URL for the '"Cheval one. Hmm...Dana?  Is this Le Cheval, Journal du Cheval,''... something else?   --Montanabw
 * No, they're supposed to both be Cheval magazine. I just missed a word. Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is "Cheval magazine" --Tsaag Valren (talk) 05:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * FN37: italicization, capitalization
 * I think I fixed that one, but let us know if I failed to do so. The article title is copied precisely as written at the URL, the citeweb template is probably why the publication title isn't italicized, I tried switching it to "work" but it still didn't italicize.  I'll let Dana see if there is anything else to be done, but if you have any thoughts here, i'm sure we are both willing to see what we can do.  --Montanabw
 * I had used the wrong cite template. It should now be fixed. Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * France Agricole Éditions or Editions? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The former. I think I have now standardized this. Thank you for the review, Nikki! Dana boomer (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * France Agricole éditions (we say "les éditions de la France agricole", too) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 05:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support – I read through the article and didn't spot any problems. Overall, the FA criteria appear to be met comfortably. Nice work. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Giants! Dana boomer (talk) 01:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
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