Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Olivia (Fringe)/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Nikkimaria 20:00, 7 March 2011.

Olivia (Fringe episode)

 * Nominator(s): Ruby2010   talk  21:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article status because I feel it fulfills the FA criteria (i.e. it is well-written, carefully researched, and notable enough as a season premiere). Please note that this is my first FA nomination (I have 5 GAs, and decided to try moving up to the next level). Thank you, Ruby2010   talk  21:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose on sourcing. Below are some concerns:
 * Earwig's tool found no copyvio, but there were several instances of close paraphrasing found during spotchecks: "roughly four episodes, beginning with the season premiere" vs "roughly four episodes beginning with the season premiere"; "The character was described as "lovely and together" and deeply devoted to her daughter" vs "described her as “lovely and together” and deeply devoted to her daughter."; "life would have been like in its most mundane forms, such as within daily routines" vs "life in its most mundane forms, like that of daily routines". Look also for replicating the source wording around direct quotes
 * ""Olivia" was written by executive producers J. H. Wyman and Jeff Pinkner, and was directed by Joe Chappelle" - source?
 * Source for the MLK reference?
 * Fixed (the citation in question carried over into the next sentence).


 * "a beautifully emotional hour with suspense, humor, and kissing... [that was] superb and surprising" - given that "superb and surprising" appears before the rest of the quote in the source, you might want to rethink this
 * ""unlike a show like Lost" - besides the issue of italicization present in the source, the source says "not unlike a show like Lost", which means something very different from what you've presented here - this is misrepresentation of the source
 * "The radio in Henry's taxi can be heard mentioning former president John F. Kennedy is stepping down from his role as ambassador, proving that he was not assassinated." - source?
 * Fixed.

Also, though this was not the focus of my review, I suggest doing some manual of style work before this nom gets too much further along. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "the journey that our heroine is on and then come back over here because [Altlivia] is embedded in our team, we have point of view characters in both universes and it seemed to us the perfect opportunity to really explore in a really thorough fulsome way the alternate universe" - doesn't exactly match the source's wording
 * Can you justify your use of Yahoo and TV Squad here?
 * What makes this a reliable source?
 * My apologies for not responding sooner. Thank you for taking the time to look over the article. I will work to address your concerns. I edited the article per a few of your suggestions, and will return to the rest of them sometime later today or tomorrow. Thanks, Ruby2010   talk  02:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose Noting concerns above, but mainly on prose & clarity. Never having heard of the series before, I found a good deal of re-reading necessary to get a glimmer of what is going on. It it really "science fiction" as the first sentence claims? I wonder. "Fauxlivia", who I take to be the parallel world version of the heroine, pops up without explanation half way through the plot summary. But the prose needs a real going over. a few examples:
 * "She instructs Henry to the address for Massive Dynamic but finds the facility does not exist in this universe."
 * "...engages in idle chatter with Walter, nearly slipping her identity to him on her lack of knowledge of the prime universe's popular culture."
 * "...explains the events of his time in the parallel universe to disinterested government agents" (or is this WP:ENGVAR? Even if so, best avoided).

Johnbod (talk) 17:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All of your concerns are well-noted. After some consideration, I am going to de-nominate the article and spend further time improving it. Also, the article would only be complete after I gain the information that will undoubtedly be provided on the DVD's special features (which is not currently released). Thanks to all the looked over the article. Ruby2010   talk  19:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


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