Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Opeth


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 19:26, 22 March 2008.

Opeth


Self nomination I'm nominating this article for featured article because it has come a very long way since I began the rewrite. (before) I welcome any comments or reccomendations. It may not look like very many sources for an article that is 37KB long, however the biography, written by the band's frontman, is used many times with its different chapters. The article meets all critiria for this nomination. Thanks, &mdash; Burningclean  &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 23:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Support. Assuming those two things get taken care of, I would tentatively Support. RyanGerbil10 (Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 04:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I found out that it is indead US not U.S. And I don't know what to do with the image. I am not good with images and I did not upload it. There was a consensus on the talk page that is now archived, stating that the image is al right for use. I will chop on the abreviations as much as I can for my remaining five minutes and I will take care of the rest tomorrow. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 04:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's ok. I don;t know much about images either, I guess if there's a consensus it's ok, then it's ok. RyanGerbil10 (Kick 'em in the Dishpan!) 04:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Image:Opeth_logo.svg‎ is extremely infinitely high resolution (low resolution is required per WP:NFCC#3B). Also, fair use requires the image be used to identify critical commentary.  Aside from the caption, article prose relating to the image is,” Still Life was the first album … to bear any kind of caption on the front cover upon its initial release, including the band's logo”.  The implication seems to be that either 1) the logo is not critical to our understanding (NFCC#8 violation) or 2) the article is lacking appropriate prose regarding the logo (FA criterion 1B violation).   ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 05:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I think the logo is not needed there, too. As the article says, they didnt really use one on their first few albums, anyway. Skeletor2112 (talk) 07:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As for the high resolution, its an SVG, meaning that it can be scaled to whatever size without loss in quality/clarity. indopug (talk) 11:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, which is precisely something that should not be the case in a fair use image. Assuming resolution of the inclusion issue(s), the image would need to be re-uploaded in an alternate format.  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 13:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can remove it if that is what needs to be done. I ddin't place it there so it is no loss to me. If someone wants to see the logo they can look at an album. I don't have software to downsize it. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 21:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, please remove it. ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 20:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 21:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And for clarity, I just wanna say that it was removed, but Cyrus XIII uploaded a lower res version and replaced it. Skeletor2112 (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Replacement image, Image:Opeth logo.png is also high resolution (WP:NFCC#3B) and does not contribute signifcantly to our understanding. ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 16:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Gone... again. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 18:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Neutral as of now. Copy-editing is required. I think either nom can take out all my comments from this page, we've reached a compromise on the issue of sourcing. Although I would once again like to urge Sandy that the best solution might be to restart this one. indopug (talk) 02:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be better to hide the comment by using that drop-down banner thing (copy the code from another FAC), since whenever a similar issue of sourcing comes up we can point to the archive of this FAC. indopug (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When capping comments, pls keep the following in mind: 1) do not cap someone else's comments unless all agree issues are resolved, cap only your own comments, 2) add your sig to the cap subject line so I know comments were capped by the original reviewer and so I know who did the cap without having to step through diffs, and 3) I can't see the hide/show button in black caps.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment One of my pet peeves is when an article can't decide whether an entity such as "band" is singular or plural. Please pick one and stick with it throughout the article. Second sentence: "The band has..." Third sentence: "...the band have..." Same issue with "Opeth": "Opeth is...", "Opeth incorporates...into their..." I've scanned a bit further down too and I'm a bit concerned about the prose (mostly flow, organization, and context issues). I might get around to a more in-depth review later. Budding Journalist 18:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Very much so. Could anyone give this a good copyedit? Should I ask someone who doesn't know about the FAC? A copyedit seems to be the only problem with thsi beast! &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 21:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not to good at this aspect(as I mess it up everytime!) but what is the correct way then? From what I understand from the last FA we did, if the band's name is not plural, then it's an "it"?  Even though a band is a group of people, it's not "they went on tour", its "it went on tour"?  Just sounds so wrong... Can you imagine a voice-over reading "When Metallica went into the studio, only the best would do. It wanted the best production available, and did everything it could to achieve that."  It forces you to use "the band" 100 times more, or the band's name over and over. I don't have any idea how to find it, but is there info in the MoS on the correct way? Skeletor2112 (talk) 15:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 06:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Despite its limited release, the album was a critical success" There is only one review there, there needs to be more to label it a "critical success".
 * Okay, I just put "fifth studio album". &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 07:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the Orchid section. M3tal H3ad (talk) 07:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, I don't even know who wrote that. I doubt it has sold a hundred thousand copies. It's gone though. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 08:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Euuuuw: Can you choose a less glaring colour than yellow, please? I need sunglasses. Tony   (talk)  12:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * I really don't see the point of having lists of bands Opeth are goind to tour with; Megadeth, Lamb of God, and Arch Enemy; Dream Theater, Between the Buried and Me, and 3; Amorphis, Nevermore, and Angel Dust; Morbid Angel and The Blood Divine...Cradle of Filth etc... remove them please.
 * I got rid of the majority, but kept a few because they are important for the tour. —Burning
 * The paragraphs in the Musical style section are kinda stubby; could you combine them and rephrase them so that the entire section is more cohesive?
 * Done. —Burning
 * Decibel Magazine - "Magazine" is never in italics and caps in wikipedia; make it Decibel magazine.
 * Done. —Burning
 * gold and platinum → Gold and Platinum - throughout.
 * Done. —Burning
 * Link and write the full name of each member only for the first time; afterwards, refer to them only by their last name. For eg: Per Wisberg.
 * Done. —Burning
 * I suspect "setlist" may not be a familiar term for non-musical readers.
 * Bandmembers/bandmates aren't words.
 * Wow, Ctrl-F is very helpful. Done. —Burning
 * I wonder if naming each and every AMG reviewer is required as that bit of detail can go to the album articles. The names simply increase complexity. Standardise "All Music Guide" throughout; I see a "All Music" or two.
 * Again, i have to say that I don't get the point of that Still Life blockquote; if you really feel it necessary, reduce it to a sentence or two and merge into the prose.
 * I took a few sentences off and merged it to the text. —Burning
 * Why is that darn logo still there? I thought we agreed at FAC to remove it. This would also imply that elcobolla's concerns weren't resolved at all. Its also still at a too-high resolution.
 * Done. —Burning
 * Overlinking throughout, and in close proximity: Candlelight Records, Studio Fredman, Canada; also check for others.
 * Done. —Burning
 * indopug (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please include ellipsis ([...] ← these things, without the square brackets) whenever you shorten a quote by removing material from in-between a quote. Also read WP:ellipsis. I noticed you hadn't done it when you reduced the Still Life quote. Could you check all the quotes and make sure they're correct? indopug (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the only one. Thanks dude. (check out my new sig :)) Burningclean  [speak]  22:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support, concerns addressed. --Laser brain (talk) 16:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC) Comments Overall a good read but lacking clarity in some places; also some other miscellaneous prose and verifiability issues, as follows:


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